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	<title>Comments on: Are Khamenei and Ahmadinejad Determined to Make Iran a Pariah?</title>
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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
		<link>http://www.juancole.com/2009/09/are-khamenei-and-ahmadinejad-determined.html#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to wonder, exactly &lt;a href=&quot;http://brownfolks.blogspot.com/2009/09/what-international-community.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;what &quot;international community&quot;&lt;/a&gt; is Dr. Cole speaking about?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In short: after the recent elections, &lt;b&gt;21&lt;/b&gt; nations publicly criticized Iran, &lt;b&gt;26&lt;/b&gt; nations publicly congratulated Ahmadinejad, and the remaining &lt;b&gt;144&lt;/b&gt; members of the United Nations (besides Iran) made no public comments on the elections.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All &lt;b&gt;118&lt;/b&gt; members of the Non-Aligned Movement have signed a statement declaring support for Iran&#039;s nuclear program. At least &lt;b&gt;7&lt;/b&gt; non-members have also publicly expressed support (Armenia, Azerbaijan, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, and Turkey), bringing the total to at least &lt;b&gt;125&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So perhaps Iran is at risk of alienating an international &lt;b&gt;minority&lt;/b&gt;, but certainly not the majority. See my &lt;a href=&quot;http://brownfolks.blogspot.com/2009/09/what-international-community.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt; for sources and further details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to wonder, exactly <a href="http://brownfolks.blogspot.com/2009/09/what-international-community.html" rel="nofollow">what &quot;international community&quot;</a> is Dr. Cole speaking about?</p>
<p>In short: after the recent elections, <b>21</b> nations publicly criticized Iran, <b>26</b> nations publicly congratulated Ahmadinejad, and the remaining <b>144</b> members of the United Nations (besides Iran) made no public comments on the elections.</p>
<p>All <b>118</b> members of the Non-Aligned Movement have signed a statement declaring support for Iran&#39;s nuclear program. At least <b>7</b> non-members have also publicly expressed support (Armenia, Azerbaijan, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, and Turkey), bringing the total to at least <b>125</b>.</p>
<p>So perhaps Iran is at risk of alienating an international <b>minority</b>, but certainly not the majority. See my <a href="http://brownfolks.blogspot.com/2009/09/what-international-community.html" rel="nofollow">blog</a> for sources and further details.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mclaren</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mclaren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmadinejad may himself be a pariah or  crackpot, running a conservative theocracy, but then, that describes our own government under Bush. Given the difference in wealth between the US and Iran, and our persistent antagonism of Iran starting many decades ago by supporting the Shah, we are simply in no place to criticize Iran&#039;s leadership.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the other hand, on the nuclear issue we are even more hypocritical. Iran has been literally surrounded by two terrifying and dangerously mismanaged US wars, while simultaneously being openly threatened by Bush/Cheney/Rice, AND given the very clear example that similar nuclear states are never, ever threatened like that. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Israel only demonstrates covert nuclear programs are condoned and are fair play, despite lofty US anti-escalation rhetoric . They have the example that Iran MUST have nukes to be taken seriously. N. Korea has the bomb and can never be threatened with invasion. Similarly India. The US actually GAVE Pakistan the technology- a strong unspoken signal- who then transferred it to N. Korea and to Iran itself previously! It goes without saying that Pakistan has never been threatened with hawkish talk, though I fail to see how they are different than other countries we have threatened or invaded. The lesson is- what US policy states and what it does (or allows) on the ground, are two very different, almost opposite things.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And the message to Iran is clear- they must either develop nukes or dismantle their state and submit to neo-liberal policies. It seems very clear to me that Iran has been forced to accept those choices. Looking objectively at Iran&#039;s past and present, how could anyone be surprised at their actions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmadinejad may himself be a pariah or  crackpot, running a conservative theocracy, but then, that describes our own government under Bush. Given the difference in wealth between the US and Iran, and our persistent antagonism of Iran starting many decades ago by supporting the Shah, we are simply in no place to criticize Iran&#39;s leadership.</p>
<p>On the other hand, on the nuclear issue we are even more hypocritical. Iran has been literally surrounded by two terrifying and dangerously mismanaged US wars, while simultaneously being openly threatened by Bush/Cheney/Rice, AND given the very clear example that similar nuclear states are never, ever threatened like that. </p>
<p>Israel only demonstrates covert nuclear programs are condoned and are fair play, despite lofty US anti-escalation rhetoric . They have the example that Iran MUST have nukes to be taken seriously. N. Korea has the bomb and can never be threatened with invasion. Similarly India. The US actually GAVE Pakistan the technology- a strong unspoken signal- who then transferred it to N. Korea and to Iran itself previously! It goes without saying that Pakistan has never been threatened with hawkish talk, though I fail to see how they are different than other countries we have threatened or invaded. The lesson is- what US policy states and what it does (or allows) on the ground, are two very different, almost opposite things.</p>
<p>And the message to Iran is clear- they must either develop nukes or dismantle their state and submit to neo-liberal policies. It seems very clear to me that Iran has been forced to accept those choices. Looking objectively at Iran&#39;s past and present, how could anyone be surprised at their actions?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks more like a replay of Khomeini&#039;s Salman Rushdie tactic. The  motive is not to make Iran a pariah in the west, but rather to unite otherwise disunited muslims in the mideast behind a common enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks more like a replay of Khomeini&#39;s Salman Rushdie tactic. The  motive is not to make Iran a pariah in the west, but rather to unite otherwise disunited muslims in the mideast behind a common enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: Da' Buffalo Amongst Wolves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da' Buffalo Amongst Wolves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In relation to what Richard and Carl said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.upi.com/Emerging_Threats/2009/09/22/Israel-hiding-nukes-in-Golan-Syria-claims/UPI-84451253652481/793~12537288011494~h/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Israel hiding nukes in Golan, Syria claims&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s EXTREMELY unlikely that the wonks @ the US State department or ANY US academic institution that studies these matters will even give a minute to researching this claim, because IF they thoroughly pursued it, they&#039;d surely find U.S. and French nuclear technology as it&#039;s underpinnings... NOT AQ Khan&#039;s purloined tech notes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...and NO academic weapons proliferation researcher would receive a grant, funding, an academic&#039;s literal lifeblood, to do the research... for reasons that should be quite obvious.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Either ban ALL nuclear weapons, or allow them to proliferate freely.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any other method of dealing with the issue STINKS of hypocrisy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Samuel Colt made everyone in the &quot;wild West&quot; &#039;equal&#039;. Kalashnikov did it for the rest of the world, and, if we pick that path, nuclear weapons will eventually make all the nation-states equal in a nuclear stalemate that could be broken at any time in &lt;a href=&quot;http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/09/23/escalation-scenarios-the-third-world-war-and-its-aftermath/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;any of these ways&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In relation to what Richard and Carl said:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.upi.com/Emerging_Threats/2009/09/22/Israel-hiding-nukes-in-Golan-Syria-claims/UPI-84451253652481/793~12537288011494~h/" rel="nofollow">Israel hiding nukes in Golan, Syria claims</a></p>
<p>It&#39;s EXTREMELY unlikely that the wonks @ the US State department or ANY US academic institution that studies these matters will even give a minute to researching this claim, because IF they thoroughly pursued it, they&#39;d surely find U.S. and French nuclear technology as it&#39;s underpinnings&#8230; NOT AQ Khan&#39;s purloined tech notes.</p>
<p>&#8230;and NO academic weapons proliferation researcher would receive a grant, funding, an academic&#39;s literal lifeblood, to do the research&#8230; for reasons that should be quite obvious.</p>
<p>Either ban ALL nuclear weapons, or allow them to proliferate freely.</p>
<p>Any other method of dealing with the issue STINKS of hypocrisy.</p>
<p>Samuel Colt made everyone in the &quot;wild West&quot; &#39;equal&#39;. Kalashnikov did it for the rest of the world, and, if we pick that path, nuclear weapons will eventually make all the nation-states equal in a nuclear stalemate that could be broken at any time in <a href="http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/09/23/escalation-scenarios-the-third-world-war-and-its-aftermath/" rel="nofollow">any of these ways</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;NO Gaza, No Lobanaon, I die only for Iran&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/azadeh-azad/iranian-people-changed-quds-day-iran-day&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Iranian anti-regime protesters ripped down a Hezbollah sign yesterday as the crowd cheered them on:&lt;br /&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzt4zOYatvY&amp;feature=player_embedded &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know you&#039;re not going to publish this but at least view it for yourself to add to your knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;NO Gaza, No Lobanaon, I die only for Iran&quot;</p>
<p>http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/azadeh-azad/iranian-people-changed-quds-day-iran-day</p>
<p>The Iranian anti-regime protesters ripped down a Hezbollah sign yesterday as the crowd cheered them on:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzt4zOYatvY&amp;feature=player_embedded </p>
<p>I know you&#39;re not going to publish this but at least view it for yourself to add to your knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmadinejad&#039;s best offense has been his anti Zionist stands and helping defenceless countries with their struggle. But in just a few days he destroyed what took him years to build.  From this he can run, but he cannot hide.  One can simply not be against Zionism and imperialism and act like one, one cannot defend helpless and stand for justice, but oppress another and take his/her rights.  Unfortunately, Ahmadinejad&#039;s messages of peace and love for all humanity are flushed down by him and his comments will bounce back and will have very little effect, if any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmadinejad&#39;s best offense has been his anti Zionist stands and helping defenceless countries with their struggle. But in just a few days he destroyed what took him years to build.  From this he can run, but he cannot hide.  One can simply not be against Zionism and imperialism and act like one, one cannot defend helpless and stand for justice, but oppress another and take his/her rights.  Unfortunately, Ahmadinejad&#39;s messages of peace and love for all humanity are flushed down by him and his comments will bounce back and will have very little effect, if any.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give It Up Palestine Chest Beaters&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.iranian.com/main/node/81770</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give It Up Palestine Chest Beaters</p>
<p>http://www.iranian.com/main/node/81770</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New York Town Hall Meeting: Prosecute IRI&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.iranian.com/main/node/81704</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New York Town Hall Meeting: Prosecute IRI</p>
<p>http://www.iranian.com/main/node/81704</p>
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