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		<title>By: werkshop</title>
		<link>http://www.juancole.com/2010/02/ahmadinejad-once-again-fails-to-call.html#comment-2343</link>
		<dc:creator>werkshop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And no, I don&#039;t mean that one has to defend the authoritarian regime in Iran or defend the brutal crackdown, though it might be appropriate to put it in balance with the notoriously brutal regimes the US allies with, not to mention the far more brutal crackdown perpetrated by &#039;our&#039; allies, just recently, in Honduras, etc..  And it might be appropriate to ask how the US government would have reacted if say a million protestors had descended on DC and in other cities after the elections in 2000 and 2004 elections that likely were stolen, especially if those protests coincided with say, a billion dollars of support from Russia for subversion in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And no, I don&#39;t mean that one has to defend the authoritarian regime in Iran or defend the brutal crackdown, though it might be appropriate to put it in balance with the notoriously brutal regimes the US allies with, not to mention the far more brutal crackdown perpetrated by &#39;our&#39; allies, just recently, in Honduras, etc..  And it might be appropriate to ask how the US government would have reacted if say a million protestors had descended on DC and in other cities after the elections in 2000 and 2004 elections that likely were stolen, especially if those protests coincided with say, a billion dollars of support from Russia for subversion in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Mohammad Hassan</title>
		<link>http://www.juancole.com/2010/02/ahmadinejad-once-again-fails-to-call.html#comment-2338</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohammad Hassan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 00:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juan,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At first, I was a little bit disappointed by your interpretation of &quot;Iranian Nationalism&quot;. But then, I found out that it&#039;s obviously not your fault, but ours that haven&#039;t even opened the doors of our country to un-biased researchers like you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You&#039;re doing a great job man. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juan,</p>
<p>At first, I was a little bit disappointed by your interpretation of &quot;Iranian Nationalism&quot;. But then, I found out that it&#39;s obviously not your fault, but ours that haven&#39;t even opened the doors of our country to un-biased researchers like you.</p>
<p>You&#39;re doing a great job man. Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: lawrenceofcyberia</title>
		<link>http://www.juancole.com/2010/02/ahmadinejad-once-again-fails-to-call.html#comment-2332</link>
		<dc:creator>lawrenceofcyberia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect, I don&#039;t think the argument that preferential treatment for Jews in Israel is no different to preferential treatment for other religious sects elsewhere is at all convincing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The controversial aspect of Jewish privilege in Palestine is not that it is uniquely immoral for Israeli Jews to claim sectarian privilege for themselves, but that Zionism claims they have the right to do this in a land where Jewish people are not the natural majority, and rely on a gerrymandered majority status created and maintained by the constant use of force against the preexisting population. So Jewish dominance can only come about in the first place through large scale ethnic cleansing (as in 1948, 1967); and it can only be maintained through the slow ethnic cleansing of economic strangulation that goes on year in year out; through the subterfuge of denying equal voting rights to the majority of Arab subjects by insisting they vote for a toothless fake statelet called the PA rather than for the government that actually rules over them; and through the continuing - but smaller scale - expulsions from their homes of people with the &quot;wrong&quot; ethnic-religious background, which is leaving them living in tents in their own backyards in East Jerusalem even as we speak.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems to me that the relevant feature of Israeli Zionism is therefore not that it privileges one sect over another, but that it places the privileged position of one minority sect over the right of the majority to be treated as equal human beings regardless of whether or not they have a Jewish mom. This kind of privilege can be established and continue to exist only through an endlessly expanding program of expulsion, killing, dispossession and  disenfranchisement of the pre-existing non-Jewish population, because merely by existing the &quot;wrong sort of people&quot; are an unbearable &quot;demographic threat&quot; to minority rule. So an appropriate comparison to the situation in Israel might perhaps be the complications that arose out of the Plantation of a privileged Protestant minority into Ireland or, even more closely, the lengths that the white minority population went to in South Africa in order to reserve political power to themselves in the apartheid era. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In contrast, it really doesn&#039;t seem to me that the refusal of Iran to allow its President to be a Sunni is analogous to this situation. It&#039;s a rather forced comparison to suggest that not allowing a Sunni minority of 10-15% to provide Iran with an elected President is just like establishing by force a sectarian Jewish state in a land that is overwhelmingly populated by non-Jews and where - even after more than 60 years of ethnic cleansing - that disenfranchised non-Jewish population is poised to be the majority again. Morally there might be no difference between discriminating against a minority of your population and discriminating against a majority of your population, but in the real world I think there&#039;s rather a big difference. Not allowing a minority candidate to be President is one thing, forcibly replacing the preexisting population of a country because they don&#039;t have the preferred ethnic-religious background seems rather different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, I don&#39;t think the argument that preferential treatment for Jews in Israel is no different to preferential treatment for other religious sects elsewhere is at all convincing.</p>
<p>The controversial aspect of Jewish privilege in Palestine is not that it is uniquely immoral for Israeli Jews to claim sectarian privilege for themselves, but that Zionism claims they have the right to do this in a land where Jewish people are not the natural majority, and rely on a gerrymandered majority status created and maintained by the constant use of force against the preexisting population. So Jewish dominance can only come about in the first place through large scale ethnic cleansing (as in 1948, 1967); and it can only be maintained through the slow ethnic cleansing of economic strangulation that goes on year in year out; through the subterfuge of denying equal voting rights to the majority of Arab subjects by insisting they vote for a toothless fake statelet called the PA rather than for the government that actually rules over them; and through the continuing &#8211; but smaller scale &#8211; expulsions from their homes of people with the &quot;wrong&quot; ethnic-religious background, which is leaving them living in tents in their own backyards in East Jerusalem even as we speak.</p>
<p>It seems to me that the relevant feature of Israeli Zionism is therefore not that it privileges one sect over another, but that it places the privileged position of one minority sect over the right of the majority to be treated as equal human beings regardless of whether or not they have a Jewish mom. This kind of privilege can be established and continue to exist only through an endlessly expanding program of expulsion, killing, dispossession and  disenfranchisement of the pre-existing non-Jewish population, because merely by existing the &quot;wrong sort of people&quot; are an unbearable &quot;demographic threat&quot; to minority rule. So an appropriate comparison to the situation in Israel might perhaps be the complications that arose out of the Plantation of a privileged Protestant minority into Ireland or, even more closely, the lengths that the white minority population went to in South Africa in order to reserve political power to themselves in the apartheid era. </p>
<p>In contrast, it really doesn&#39;t seem to me that the refusal of Iran to allow its President to be a Sunni is analogous to this situation. It&#39;s a rather forced comparison to suggest that not allowing a Sunni minority of 10-15% to provide Iran with an elected President is just like establishing by force a sectarian Jewish state in a land that is overwhelmingly populated by non-Jews and where &#8211; even after more than 60 years of ethnic cleansing &#8211; that disenfranchised non-Jewish population is poised to be the majority again. Morally there might be no difference between discriminating against a minority of your population and discriminating against a majority of your population, but in the real world I think there&#39;s rather a big difference. Not allowing a minority candidate to be President is one thing, forcibly replacing the preexisting population of a country because they don&#39;t have the preferred ethnic-religious background seems rather different.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying that we are going to be &quot;mightily inconvenienced&quot; by this unnecessary conflict is far too mild considering the extent of the warping of our defense strategy and the diversion of our national treasury, not to mention the loss of the lives of our young.  I would say that we, too, are going to be &quot;ruined&quot; by this unnecessary  conflict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying that we are going to be &quot;mightily inconvenienced&quot; by this unnecessary conflict is far too mild considering the extent of the warping of our defense strategy and the diversion of our national treasury, not to mention the loss of the lives of our young.  I would say that we, too, are going to be &quot;ruined&quot; by this unnecessary  conflict.</p>
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		<title>By: avvv</title>
		<link>http://www.juancole.com/2010/02/ahmadinejad-once-again-fails-to-call.html#comment-2325</link>
		<dc:creator>avvv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 12:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scoop!&lt;br /&gt;Ahmadinejad didn&#039;t call for the annihilation of Israel. Only for the overthrow of its regime. Your &quot;one state solution&quot; means forcing the Israeli Jews to live as second class citizens subjected to Sharia law in a country that will probably be as free and as successful as the rest of the countries who have Muslim majority. Israel will never accept it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scoop!<br />Ahmadinejad didn&#39;t call for the annihilation of Israel. Only for the overthrow of its regime. Your &quot;one state solution&quot; means forcing the Israeli Jews to live as second class citizens subjected to Sharia law in a country that will probably be as free and as successful as the rest of the countries who have Muslim majority. Israel will never accept it.</p>
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		<title>By: Andras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 03:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Iranian constitution (article 2) states that the Islamic Republic&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;---&lt;br /&gt;  is a system based on belief in:&lt;br /&gt;1.the One God (as stated in the phrase &quot;There is no god except Allah&quot;), His exclusive sovereignty and the right to legislate, and the necessity of submission to His commands; &lt;br /&gt;2.Divine revelation and its fundamental role in setting forth the laws; &lt;br /&gt;3.the return to God in the Hereafter, and the constructive role of this belief in the course of man&#039;s ascent towards God; &lt;br /&gt;4.the justice of God in creation and legislation; &lt;br /&gt;5.continuous leadership (imamah) and perpetual guidance, and its fundamental role in ensuring the uninterrupted process of the revolution of Islam; &lt;br /&gt;6.the exalted dignity and value of man, and his freedom coupled with responsibility before God; in which equity, justice, political, economic, social, and cultural independence, and national solidarity are secured by recourse to:&lt;br /&gt;(1).continuous ijtihad of the fuqaha&#039; possessing necessary qualifications, exercised on the basis off the Qur&#039;an and the Sunnah of the Ma&#039;sumun, upon all of whom be peace; &lt;br /&gt;(2).sciences and arts and the most advanced results of human experience, together with the effort to advance them further; &lt;br /&gt;(3).negation of all forms of oppression, both the infliction of and the submission to it, and of dominance, both its imposition and its acceptance.&lt;br /&gt;---&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note that of these official articles of faith there are several specific to Shiite Islam, such as 5. the Imamah, and 6(1) continuous ijtihad of the fuqaha and the invocation of the Sunnah (practice) of the Ma&#039;sumun (i.e. the 12 imams). A Sunni would not subscribe to these precepts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for the Prseidency, Article 115 specifies that &lt;br /&gt;&quot;The President must be elected from among religious and political personalities possessing the following qualifications: Iranian origin; Iranian nationality; administrative capacity and resourcefulness; a good past-record; trustworthiness and piety; convinced belief in the fundamental principles of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the official madhhab of the country.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The &quot;official madhhab of the country&quot; is Twelver Shiism -- no Sunnis would qualify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Iranian constitution (article 2) states that the Islamic Republic</p>
<p>&#8212;<br />  is a system based on belief in:<br />1.the One God (as stated in the phrase &quot;There is no god except Allah&quot;), His exclusive sovereignty and the right to legislate, and the necessity of submission to His commands; <br />2.Divine revelation and its fundamental role in setting forth the laws; <br />3.the return to God in the Hereafter, and the constructive role of this belief in the course of man&#39;s ascent towards God; <br />4.the justice of God in creation and legislation; <br />5.continuous leadership (imamah) and perpetual guidance, and its fundamental role in ensuring the uninterrupted process of the revolution of Islam; <br />6.the exalted dignity and value of man, and his freedom coupled with responsibility before God; in which equity, justice, political, economic, social, and cultural independence, and national solidarity are secured by recourse to:<br />(1).continuous ijtihad of the fuqaha&#39; possessing necessary qualifications, exercised on the basis off the Qur&#39;an and the Sunnah of the Ma&#39;sumun, upon all of whom be peace; <br />(2).sciences and arts and the most advanced results of human experience, together with the effort to advance them further; <br />(3).negation of all forms of oppression, both the infliction of and the submission to it, and of dominance, both its imposition and its acceptance.<br />&#8212;</p>
<p>Note that of these official articles of faith there are several specific to Shiite Islam, such as 5. the Imamah, and 6(1) continuous ijtihad of the fuqaha and the invocation of the Sunnah (practice) of the Ma&#39;sumun (i.e. the 12 imams). A Sunni would not subscribe to these precepts.</p>
<p>As for the Prseidency, Article 115 specifies that <br />&quot;The President must be elected from among religious and political personalities possessing the following qualifications: Iranian origin; Iranian nationality; administrative capacity and resourcefulness; a good past-record; trustworthiness and piety; convinced belief in the fundamental principles of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the official madhhab of the country.&quot;</p>
<p>The &quot;official madhhab of the country&quot; is Twelver Shiism &#8212; no Sunnis would qualify.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 01:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Juan, I am not an expert in these matters, but I want to take issue with what you are saying here. Ahmadi does not call specifically for something as extreme as genocide, or ending Israel, but his language is ambiguous. Ahmadi says that the &quot;Zionist regime... must accept its end&quot;... You interpret Ahmadi&#039;s phrase &quot;Zionist regime&quot; to mean the &quot;Israeli government with its current ideology&quot;. However, do we believe that an extremist audience of Iranian clients like Hamas or Hezbollah interprets this phrase in the same way? I submit that many would equate &quot;Zionist regime&quot; with &quot;state of Israel&quot;. With his ambiguous phrase he can play to his most extremist elements and clients in Hezbollah and Hamas, without being too explicit and turning off moderates. To put it simply, I think he uses coded language to mollify extremists without alienating moderates (for lack of a better description).  Until his speeches and actions show that he is unambiguously committed to a peaceful middle east and peaceful resolution of these questions, these speeches should be judged for their impact and the signals they send. I won&#039;t be convinced otherwise until I hear that Hamas/Hezbollah/IRGC have disavowed him as too soft or a stooge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Juan, I am not an expert in these matters, but I want to take issue with what you are saying here. Ahmadi does not call specifically for something as extreme as genocide, or ending Israel, but his language is ambiguous. Ahmadi says that the &quot;Zionist regime&#8230; must accept its end&quot;&#8230; You interpret Ahmadi&#39;s phrase &quot;Zionist regime&quot; to mean the &quot;Israeli government with its current ideology&quot;. However, do we believe that an extremist audience of Iranian clients like Hamas or Hezbollah interprets this phrase in the same way? I submit that many would equate &quot;Zionist regime&quot; with &quot;state of Israel&quot;. With his ambiguous phrase he can play to his most extremist elements and clients in Hezbollah and Hamas, without being too explicit and turning off moderates. To put it simply, I think he uses coded language to mollify extremists without alienating moderates (for lack of a better description).  Until his speeches and actions show that he is unambiguously committed to a peaceful middle east and peaceful resolution of these questions, these speeches should be judged for their impact and the signals they send. I won&#39;t be convinced otherwise until I hear that Hamas/Hezbollah/IRGC have disavowed him as too soft or a stooge.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What distinguishes Zionism from other late 19th century and early 20th Century romantic nationalisms is the Holocaust. Effectively, the West where Ashkenazi Jewry lived could not be trusted not to murder every last Jew, or prevent their murder. So Israel had to be created, as a preserve for survivors who had no where else to go and as a last protection against a hostile, murderous world in the future. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course such a state is inherently flawed since it is a form of affirmative action, displaced local Arab populations and created much misery for local Arabs in 1948. But a one-state solution undermines this central protection for the world&#039;s Jews and the ability for a single Jewish state to succeed. We can agree that Netanyahu is a disgrace and that his policies do not foster peace, but those failures should not undermine the basis for Zionism. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wish Israel could have the univeralistic aspirations of France or the U.S, it just is not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What distinguishes Zionism from other late 19th century and early 20th Century romantic nationalisms is the Holocaust. Effectively, the West where Ashkenazi Jewry lived could not be trusted not to murder every last Jew, or prevent their murder. So Israel had to be created, as a preserve for survivors who had no where else to go and as a last protection against a hostile, murderous world in the future. </p>
<p>Of course such a state is inherently flawed since it is a form of affirmative action, displaced local Arab populations and created much misery for local Arabs in 1948. But a one-state solution undermines this central protection for the world&#39;s Jews and the ability for a single Jewish state to succeed. We can agree that Netanyahu is a disgrace and that his policies do not foster peace, but those failures should not undermine the basis for Zionism. </p>
<p>I wish Israel could have the univeralistic aspirations of France or the U.S, it just is not the case.</p>
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