Comments on: Harvard Professor’s Modest Proposal: Starve the Gazans into Having Fewer Babies http://www.juancole.com/2010/02/harvard-professors-modest-proposal.html Thoughts on the Middle East, History and Religion Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:17:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Irish http://www.juancole.com/2010/02/harvard-professors-modest-proposal.html#comment-2300 Irish Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:13:23 +0000 http://www.juancole.com/?p=4997#comment-2300 Why should we be surprised at Kramer's ideology? It's not as though the apologists for Israeli war crimes have been silent these past 62 years. Kramer is just another cog in the machine of white superiority. And it isn't just about Palestinians. What Israel did to Moroccan and Iraqi Jews back in the 50's is also a complete disgrace. Kramer's stupidity is well ingrained in people who think that 'being white' is more important than being human Why should we be surprised at Kramer's ideology? It's not as though the apologists for Israeli war crimes have been silent these past 62 years. Kramer is just another cog in the machine of white superiority. And it isn't just about Palestinians. What Israel did to Moroccan and Iraqi Jews back in the 50's is also a complete disgrace. Kramer's stupidity is well ingrained in people who think that 'being white' is more important than being human

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.juancole.com/2010/02/harvard-professors-modest-proposal.html#comment-2287 Anonymous Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:48:29 +0000 http://www.juancole.com/?p=4997#comment-2287 as usual, a great post on this issue.<br /><br />one of the other commenters noted that this kind of argument is just the logical conclusion of the polite discussion of the palestinian/israeli birthrate ratio "problem." and that discussion is widely had all over the place...in the nyt, on the tv, everywhere, and it's really treated as a serious issue worthy of consideration.<br /><br />the barbara brown quote was really instructive though. i'll be sure to share it the next time i hear someone worried about the future "jewish character" of israel. as usual, a great post on this issue.

one of the other commenters noted that this kind of argument is just the logical conclusion of the polite discussion of the palestinian/israeli birthrate ratio "problem." and that discussion is widely had all over the place…in the nyt, on the tv, everywhere, and it's really treated as a serious issue worthy of consideration.

the barbara brown quote was really instructive though. i'll be sure to share it the next time i hear someone worried about the future "jewish character" of israel.

]]> By: RichardofLongBeach http://www.juancole.com/2010/02/harvard-professors-modest-proposal.html#comment-2277 RichardofLongBeach Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:53:44 +0000 http://www.juancole.com/?p=4997#comment-2277 To Anonymous at 10:01 PM,<br /><br />......Without some form of ethnic cleansing, Israel will be just another Arab country with a minority Jewish population within a few decades......<br /><br />Well I guess there is some hope for Israel after-all. To Anonymous at 10:01 PM,

……Without some form of ethnic cleansing, Israel will be just another Arab country with a minority Jewish population within a few decades……

Well I guess there is some hope for Israel after-all.

]]> By: Hugh Sansom http://www.juancole.com/2010/02/harvard-professors-modest-proposal.html#comment-2274 Hugh Sansom Thu, 25 Feb 2010 03:47:02 +0000 http://www.juancole.com/?p=4997#comment-2274 Sadly, Martin Kramer is far from alone in his racist advocacy of 'population control.'<br /><br />Israelis routinely wring their hands these days over the 'demographic problem' - for which we can read, with horror at the brutal irony -- the 'Palestinian problem.'<br /><br />Anti-Palestinian bigotry is rampant in Israel. Israelis fairly freely assert that they would not want to live in a building with Arabs. Distribution of funds to schools and public projects glaringly discriminates against Palestinian neighborhoods. And -- most revolting of all -- Israelis see no problem at all in the (most recent) atrocities Israel committed in Gaza.<br /><br />The Atlantic's Andrew Sullivan described today (February 24th) the vicious anti-Palestinian language of t-shirts popular among IDF soldiers (and, I would guess, among others). The t-shirts advocate killing pregnant women as a means of curbing the Palestinian birthrate.<br /><br />Pro-Israel zealots flatly refuse to see this. They deny it even when it stares them in the face. And, predictably, the US press refuses to cover it at all while at the same time asserting that its coverage is too "pro-Palestinian" (as former NPR ombudsman Jeffrey Dvorkin claimed).<br /><br />----<br />The Andrew Sullivan piece:<br />http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/02/dissent-of-the-day-4.html Sadly, Martin Kramer is far from alone in his racist advocacy of 'population control.'

Israelis routinely wring their hands these days over the 'demographic problem' – for which we can read, with horror at the brutal irony — the 'Palestinian problem.'

Anti-Palestinian bigotry is rampant in Israel. Israelis fairly freely assert that they would not want to live in a building with Arabs. Distribution of funds to schools and public projects glaringly discriminates against Palestinian neighborhoods. And — most revolting of all — Israelis see no problem at all in the (most recent) atrocities Israel committed in Gaza.

The Atlantic's Andrew Sullivan described today (February 24th) the vicious anti-Palestinian language of t-shirts popular among IDF soldiers (and, I would guess, among others). The t-shirts advocate killing pregnant women as a means of curbing the Palestinian birthrate.

Pro-Israel zealots flatly refuse to see this. They deny it even when it stares them in the face. And, predictably, the US press refuses to cover it at all while at the same time asserting that its coverage is too "pro-Palestinian" (as former NPR ombudsman Jeffrey Dvorkin claimed).

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The Andrew Sullivan piece:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/02/dissent-of-the-day-4.html

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.juancole.com/2010/02/harvard-professors-modest-proposal.html#comment-2267 Anonymous Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:31:33 +0000 http://www.juancole.com/?p=4997#comment-2267 See this excellent <a href="http://www.newleftreview.org/?page=article&view=2775" rel="nofollow">NLR essay on Kramer's model racist</a>, Gunnar Heinsohn, whom he gleaned this lovely prpopsal from. See this excellent NLR essay on Kramer's model racist, Gunnar Heinsohn, whom he gleaned this lovely prpopsal from.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.juancole.com/2010/02/harvard-professors-modest-proposal.html#comment-2265 Anonymous Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:14:42 +0000 http://www.juancole.com/?p=4997#comment-2265 <i>It is shocking that Kramer ... should be given a cushy office at Harvard as a 'fellow' while spewing the most vile justifications for war crimes like the collective punishment of Gazan children.</i><br /><br />Wake up, Juan. There is nothing shocking about this. It is par for the course for America's 'prestigious' educational institutions to harbor and reward war criminals and would-be genocidaires. It is shocking that Kramer … should be given a cushy office at Harvard as a 'fellow' while spewing the most vile justifications for war crimes like the collective punishment of Gazan children.

Wake up, Juan. There is nothing shocking about this. It is par for the course for America's 'prestigious' educational institutions to harbor and reward war criminals and would-be genocidaires.

]]> By: ！＆＃ http://www.juancole.com/2010/02/harvard-professors-modest-proposal.html#comment-2264 ！＆＃ Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:40:20 +0000 http://www.juancole.com/?p=4997#comment-2264 MJ Rosenberg didn't argue that Kramer's speech is equivalent to a call for genocide. MJ Rosenberg lifted <a href="http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article11091.shtml" rel="nofollow">the story from the Electronic Intifada</a>, added factual errors, and did not reference his source. He didn't make the argument, he copied it. MJ Rosenberg didn't argue that Kramer's speech is equivalent to a call for genocide. MJ Rosenberg lifted the story from the Electronic Intifada, added factual errors, and did not reference his source. He didn't make the argument, he copied it.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.juancole.com/2010/02/harvard-professors-modest-proposal.html#comment-2262 Anonymous Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:25:02 +0000 http://www.juancole.com/?p=4997#comment-2262 Please correct the term "professor," in the title. Martin Kramer is not a Harvard professor, though he is a thoroughly disgraceful Harvard fellow. Please correct the term "professor," in the title. Martin Kramer is not a Harvard professor, though he is a thoroughly disgraceful Harvard fellow.

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