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		<title>By: GeneralOreo</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeneralOreo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 01:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the one who said I was brainwashed by michael ledeen, &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m an atheist who grew up a muslim in the middle east, I don&#039;t need ledeen or anybody else to tell who to call fascists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the one who said I was brainwashed by michael ledeen, </p>
<p>I&#39;m an atheist who grew up a muslim in the middle east, I don&#39;t need ledeen or anybody else to tell who to call fascists.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Murry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Murry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 06:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As we used to say in the Nixon-Kissinger Fig Leaf Contingent during our long-overdue withdrawal from American occupied South Vietnam: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&quot;We lost the say we started and we won the day we stopped.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ditto for Iraq and Afghanistan. Way past time to bring these ordnance expenditure expeditions and earn-while-you-don&#039;t-learn commendation accumulation boondoggles to their inevitable, whimpering conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we used to say in the Nixon-Kissinger Fig Leaf Contingent during our long-overdue withdrawal from American occupied South Vietnam: </p>
<p>&quot;We lost the say we started and we won the day we stopped.&quot;</p>
<p>Ditto for Iraq and Afghanistan. Way past time to bring these ordnance expenditure expeditions and earn-while-you-don&#39;t-learn commendation accumulation boondoggles to their inevitable, whimpering conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 05:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.&lt;br /&gt;General Oreo, &lt;br /&gt;this is the author of that first post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank you for shining reality in my face.  But I&#039;m left with some questions you might clear up. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, can I say that Iraq is still under occupation ?  &lt;br /&gt;While we still have around 100,000 uniformed military, and around 250,000 contractor employees there, there is no overt US military control of day-to-day affairs.  &lt;br /&gt;Sure, US advisors try to boss around the various Ministers, but more and more they ignore us. &lt;br /&gt;Does the fact that there has been a formal transfer of sovereignty to the government of PM al-Maliki, and the fact that he signed an agreement with President Bush providing for US troops to stay through 2011, mean that our forces are now there with the invitation of, or at least the permission of, a legit Iraqi government ?  &lt;br /&gt;Keep in mind 2 factors before answering: &lt;br /&gt;#1.  PM al-Maliki was chosen by Secretary Rice and Ambassador Khalilzad, not by the Iraqi Parliament, as the Iraqi Constitution provided. &lt;br /&gt;#2.  International law says that elections held under occupation, and governments formed under occupation, are not valid.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Second question:  Sayyid al-Sadr is in Qom, which is in Iran.  How are you going to cut out his tongue with him in Iran ?  Isn&#039;t that why the Bremer fatwa was never carried out, rather than some purported tolerance of opposition by the occupation authority ?  Didn&#039;t Bremer and Casey and Petraeus before you all send teams to assassinate him ?  &lt;br /&gt;And how do you propose to hang 60% of 28 million Iraqis from streetlamps ?  There aren&#039;t enough streetlamps.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Third, if you will allow that the US is still militarily occupying Iraq, and if you allow (you may not) that over 1 million Iraqis have died as a result of our invasion and occupation, how is that not &quot;brutal ?&quot;  &lt;br /&gt;More than 3 million have fled, either from the US military or from Shi&#039;a militias.  Does that indicate a perception of brutality to you ? &lt;br /&gt;In my blindness to reality, I imagine that al-Maliki has been campaigning on promises of kicking the Americans out of the country.  I imagine that the Iraqis, the Shi&#039;a, at least, are lapping it up.  Why aren&#039;t they showering our troops with flowers and chocolates ?    &lt;br /&gt;I admit that the US military has been restrained and professional in their conduct, only destroying homes when necessary.  But the 60,000 Mercenaries have not been so restrained. &lt;br /&gt;Have you ever heard of Zapata Engineering ?  That firm alone killed over 30,000 innocent civilians during their job of collecting and destroying &quot;enemy munitions.&quot;  They fired up every structure every time they drove past it, for more than 3 years, before anyone from the Corps of Engineers said anything.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let’s say that the Iraqis told us to leave, and President Obama agrees to withdraw all forces immediately.  I assume that you are Ray Odierno IRL, based on your comments.  Just last month you said that you would never pull out of Iraq, that too much American blood had been spilled to ever give Iraq back to the Iraqis.  Obama is afraid of you and of all the Generals who are loyal to President Bush (as opposed to being loyal to, say, the Constitution.)  Our troops aren&#039;t going anywhere until Obama starts firing Generals for insubordination.  Golly, he won&#039;t even fire his WH Chief of Staff for insubordination.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do you really think the US military will pull out ?  Won’t that look too much like failure ?  Won’t you resist such an order ? &lt;br /&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.<br />General Oreo, <br />this is the author of that first post.</p>
<p>Thank you for shining reality in my face.  But I&#39;m left with some questions you might clear up. </p>
<p>First, can I say that Iraq is still under occupation ?  <br />While we still have around 100,000 uniformed military, and around 250,000 contractor employees there, there is no overt US military control of day-to-day affairs.  <br />Sure, US advisors try to boss around the various Ministers, but more and more they ignore us. <br />Does the fact that there has been a formal transfer of sovereignty to the government of PM al-Maliki, and the fact that he signed an agreement with President Bush providing for US troops to stay through 2011, mean that our forces are now there with the invitation of, or at least the permission of, a legit Iraqi government ?  <br />Keep in mind 2 factors before answering: <br />#1.  PM al-Maliki was chosen by Secretary Rice and Ambassador Khalilzad, not by the Iraqi Parliament, as the Iraqi Constitution provided. <br />#2.  International law says that elections held under occupation, and governments formed under occupation, are not valid.  </p>
<p>Second question:  Sayyid al-Sadr is in Qom, which is in Iran.  How are you going to cut out his tongue with him in Iran ?  Isn&#39;t that why the Bremer fatwa was never carried out, rather than some purported tolerance of opposition by the occupation authority ?  Didn&#39;t Bremer and Casey and Petraeus before you all send teams to assassinate him ?  <br />And how do you propose to hang 60% of 28 million Iraqis from streetlamps ?  There aren&#39;t enough streetlamps.  </p>
<p>Third, if you will allow that the US is still militarily occupying Iraq, and if you allow (you may not) that over 1 million Iraqis have died as a result of our invasion and occupation, how is that not &quot;brutal ?&quot;  <br />More than 3 million have fled, either from the US military or from Shi&#39;a militias.  Does that indicate a perception of brutality to you ? <br />In my blindness to reality, I imagine that al-Maliki has been campaigning on promises of kicking the Americans out of the country.  I imagine that the Iraqis, the Shi&#39;a, at least, are lapping it up.  Why aren&#39;t they showering our troops with flowers and chocolates ?    <br />I admit that the US military has been restrained and professional in their conduct, only destroying homes when necessary.  But the 60,000 Mercenaries have not been so restrained. <br />Have you ever heard of Zapata Engineering ?  That firm alone killed over 30,000 innocent civilians during their job of collecting and destroying &quot;enemy munitions.&quot;  They fired up every structure every time they drove past it, for more than 3 years, before anyone from the Corps of Engineers said anything.  </p>
<p>Let’s say that the Iraqis told us to leave, and President Obama agrees to withdraw all forces immediately.  I assume that you are Ray Odierno IRL, based on your comments.  Just last month you said that you would never pull out of Iraq, that too much American blood had been spilled to ever give Iraq back to the Iraqis.  Obama is afraid of you and of all the Generals who are loyal to President Bush (as opposed to being loyal to, say, the Constitution.)  Our troops aren&#39;t going anywhere until Obama starts firing Generals for insubordination.  Golly, he won&#39;t even fire his WH Chief of Staff for insubordination.</p>
<p>Do you really think the US military will pull out ?  Won’t that look too much like failure ?  Won’t you resist such an order ? <br />.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 04:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>General Oreo,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    The reason that Sadr has been able to shout about political resistance is because he&#039;s stayed safe in Iran.  And don&#039;t waste our time throwing around nonsense terms like &quot;Islamo-fascist.&quot;  You&#039;ve been listening to propagandists like Michael Ledeen too much.  &lt;br /&gt;     As far as leaving Iraq goes, yes, I&#039;m sure President Obama want to leave, but the neocon/Israel Lobby dominated policy establishment and media wants to ensure that we leave a submissive government when we do, and therein lies the rub.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Don&#039;t have the inclination to get a Google account so I can have a username other than &quot;Anonymous&quot; but this is Xenophon.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>General Oreo,</p>
<p>    The reason that Sadr has been able to shout about political resistance is because he&#39;s stayed safe in Iran.  And don&#39;t waste our time throwing around nonsense terms like &quot;Islamo-fascist.&quot;  You&#39;ve been listening to propagandists like Michael Ledeen too much.  <br />     As far as leaving Iraq goes, yes, I&#39;m sure President Obama want to leave, but the neocon/Israel Lobby dominated policy establishment and media wants to ensure that we leave a submissive government when we do, and therein lies the rub.</p>
<p>(Don&#39;t have the inclination to get a Google account so I can have a username other than &quot;Anonymous&quot; but this is Xenophon.)</p>
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		<title>By: glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just posting a link to an interesting article on the Iraq elections. Bush and Blair have a lot to answer for.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2010/03/06/mission-accomplished-deja-vu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just posting a link to an interesting article on the Iraq elections. Bush and Blair have a lot to answer for.</p>
<p>http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2010/03/06/mission-accomplished-deja-vu</p>
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		<title>By: إبن الصقلي</title>
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		<dc:creator>إبن الصقلي</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 22:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://occident.blogspot.com/2010/03/grand-ayatullahs-of-al-najaf-address.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fatawa of Grand Ayatullahs of al-Najaf on Elections&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://occident.blogspot.com/2010/03/iraqs-grand-ayatullah-muhammad-taqi-al.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Grand Ayatullah Muhammad Taqi Modarresi Calls for Enthusiastic Participation in Elections&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://occident.blogspot.com/2010/03/grand-ayatullahs-of-al-najaf-address.html" rel="nofollow">Fatawa of Grand Ayatullahs of al-Najaf on Elections</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://occident.blogspot.com/2010/03/iraqs-grand-ayatullah-muhammad-taqi-al.html" rel="nofollow">Grand Ayatullah Muhammad Taqi Modarresi Calls for Enthusiastic Participation in Elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: GeneralOreo</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeneralOreo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 21:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again in response to the rotten first reply, because I can&#039;t get it out of my head. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The ONLY REASON there&#039;s an election in Iraq in the first place is because of this thing you call brutal foreign occupation, and the &#039;reign&#039; of Odierno as you put it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again in response to the rotten first reply, because I can&#39;t get it out of my head. </p>
<p>The ONLY REASON there&#39;s an election in Iraq in the first place is because of this thing you call brutal foreign occupation, and the &#39;reign&#39; of Odierno as you put it.</p>
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		<title>By: JHM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JHM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... very canny electoral techniques ...&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/public/page/news-opinion-commentary.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; slaves of Murdoch &lt;/a&gt; have recently resumed demandin’ to be paid for most of the most predictably biased op-ed page in the known world.  Some of the &lt;i&gt;Wall Street Jingo&lt;/i&gt;  customers, though, are traitors to their Class who don’t mind swiping and reproducing such things in full.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So here, at second swipe, is what they are hidin’ about the Rev. Señorito Sadr behind the Teabag Curtain:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;On Friday, Mr. Sadr’s aides distributed thousands of pamphlets directing Baghdad residents to vote for specific candidates for Mr. Sadr’s Iraqi National Alliance. The directions broke out preferred candidates for 80 different areas in Sadr City, the Baghdad slum that has long been a Sadr stronghold.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unlike the general election in 2005—Iraq’s first after the fall of Saddam Hussein—voters this time are casting ballots for individual candidates rather than slates.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any votes a candidate receives above the threshold needed to win a seat will be distributed to other candidates on the slate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a result, if too many people vote for the same Sadrist candidate, those votes could wind up going to other parties on the broader, Shiite slate, such as the Islamic Supreme Council in Iraq, or ISCI. Though allied for this election, Mr. Sadr’s movement and ISCI are historically fierce rivals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“We don’t want to lose votes to candidates from other parties on our list,” Mr. Arraji, the Sadr aide, told the thousands of followers who massed on a wide boulevard in Sadr City. “We want the Sadr bloc to be the dominant bloc on the list.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To avoid diluting their voting power among candidates who won’t meet the seat threshold, Mr. Sadr’s campaign strategists decided to run just one candidate for each seat.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nearly every other party is fielding two candidates per seat as the law allows. Their assumption: the more candidates the broader list has on the ballot, the more overall votes it will garner as a whole.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;***&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That may not sound so fiendishly clever to you, yet there are people around here (Cambridge MA)  who have not figured proportional representation that well in over half a century.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Healthy days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;&#8230; very canny electoral techniques &#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>The <a href="http://online.wsj.com/public/page/news-opinion-commentary.html" rel="nofollow"> slaves of Murdoch </a> have recently resumed demandin’ to be paid for most of the most predictably biased op-ed page in the known world.  Some of the <i>Wall Street Jingo</i>  customers, though, are traitors to their Class who don’t mind swiping and reproducing such things in full.</p>
<p>So here, at second swipe, is what they are hidin’ about the Rev. Señorito Sadr behind the Teabag Curtain:</p>
<p><i>On Friday, Mr. Sadr’s aides distributed thousands of pamphlets directing Baghdad residents to vote for specific candidates for Mr. Sadr’s Iraqi National Alliance. The directions broke out preferred candidates for 80 different areas in Sadr City, the Baghdad slum that has long been a Sadr stronghold.</p>
<p>Unlike the general election in 2005—Iraq’s first after the fall of Saddam Hussein—voters this time are casting ballots for individual candidates rather than slates.</p>
<p>Any votes a candidate receives above the threshold needed to win a seat will be distributed to other candidates on the slate.</p>
<p>As a result, if too many people vote for the same Sadrist candidate, those votes could wind up going to other parties on the broader, Shiite slate, such as the Islamic Supreme Council in Iraq, or ISCI. Though allied for this election, Mr. Sadr’s movement and ISCI are historically fierce rivals.</p>
<p>“We don’t want to lose votes to candidates from other parties on our list,” Mr. Arraji, the Sadr aide, told the thousands of followers who massed on a wide boulevard in Sadr City. “We want the Sadr bloc to be the dominant bloc on the list.”</p>
<p>To avoid diluting their voting power among candidates who won’t meet the seat threshold, Mr. Sadr’s campaign strategists decided to run just one candidate for each seat.</p>
<p>Nearly every other party is fielding two candidates per seat as the law allows. Their assumption: the more candidates the broader list has on the ballot, the more overall votes it will garner as a whole.</i></p>
<p>***</p>
<p>That may not sound so fiendishly clever to you, yet there are people around here (Cambridge MA)  who have not figured proportional representation that well in over half a century.</p>
<p>Healthy days.</p>
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