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	<title>Comments on: Eyewitnesses Say Israelis came in with Guns Blazing</title>
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		<title>By: Iran’s Green Movement: One Year Later &#124; Amauta</title>
		<link>http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/eyewitnesses-say-israelis-came-in-with-guns-blazing.html#comment-5820</link>
		<dc:creator>Iran’s Green Movement: One Year Later &#124; Amauta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from helicopters onto the deck of the Mavi Marmara, a Turkish aid ship heading for Gaza.  They threw stun grenades and fired rubber-jacketed metal bullets even before landing, enraging passengers, and leading to a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from helicopters onto the deck of the Mavi Marmara, a Turkish aid ship heading for Gaza.  They threw stun grenades and fired rubber-jacketed metal bullets even before landing, enraging passengers, and leading to a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tomgram: Juan Cole, Israel&#8217;s Gift to Iran&#8217;s Hardliners &#171; LobeLog.com</title>
		<link>http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/eyewitnesses-say-israelis-came-in-with-guns-blazing.html#comment-5809</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomgram: Juan Cole, Israel&#8217;s Gift to Iran&#8217;s Hardliners &#171; LobeLog.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 02:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from helicopters onto the deck of the Mavi Marmara, a Turkish aid ship heading for Gaza.  They threw stun grenades and fired rubber-jacketed metal bullets even before landing, enraging passengers, and leading to a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from helicopters onto the deck of the Mavi Marmara, a Turkish aid ship heading for Gaza.  They threw stun grenades and fired rubber-jacketed metal bullets even before landing, enraging passengers, and leading to a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: We Bought The Bullets &#124; War On You: Breaking Alternative News</title>
		<link>http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/eyewitnesses-say-israelis-came-in-with-guns-blazing.html#comment-5569</link>
		<dc:creator>We Bought The Bullets &#124; War On You: Breaking Alternative News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 01:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] such people on his &#8220;continuum of civilianality&#8221; depends entirely on their response to aggression by people wearing state-issued costumes: If their reaction is anything other than immediate, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Israel: at the bottom of world view &#38; the height of arrogance &#171; Rants on modernism</title>
		<link>http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/eyewitnesses-say-israelis-came-in-with-guns-blazing.html#comment-5558</link>
		<dc:creator>Israel: at the bottom of world view &#38; the height of arrogance &#171; Rants on modernism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is clear that their stories and that of the Israeli military do not match in many ways.&quot;  As Juan Cole says:  &quot;Many passengers have now confirmed that they were fired on even before the commandos had [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is clear that their stories and that of the Israeli military do not match in many ways.&#8221;  As Juan Cole says:  &#8221;Many passengers have now confirmed that they were fired on even before the commandos had [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Israel: at the bottom of world view &#38; the height of arrogance &#171; Rants on modernism</title>
		<link>http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/eyewitnesses-say-israelis-came-in-with-guns-blazing.html#comment-5531</link>
		<dc:creator>Israel: at the bottom of world view &#38; the height of arrogance &#171; Rants on modernism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is clear that their stories and that of the Israeli military do not match in many ways.&quot;  As Juan Cole says:  &quot;Many passengers have now confirmed that they were fired on even before the commandos had [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is clear that their stories and that of the Israeli military do not match in many ways.&#8221;  As Juan Cole says:  &#8221;Many passengers have now confirmed that they were fired on even before the commandos had [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Militant Libertarian &#187; We Bought The Bullets</title>
		<link>http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/eyewitnesses-say-israelis-came-in-with-guns-blazing.html#comment-5419</link>
		<dc:creator>Militant Libertarian &#187; We Bought The Bullets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 02:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to such people on his &quot;continuum of civilianality&quot; depends entirely on their response toaggression by people wearing state-issued costumes: If their reaction is anything other than immediate, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Israeli propaganda on flotilla attack has been effective &#171; Later On</title>
		<link>http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/eyewitnesses-say-israelis-came-in-with-guns-blazing.html#comment-5376</link>
		<dc:creator>Israeli propaganda on flotilla attack has been effective &#171; Later On</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] clear that their stories and that of the Israeli military do not match in many ways.&quot;&#160; As Juan Cole says:&#160; &quot;Many passengers have now confirmed that they were fired on even before the commandos [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] clear that their stories and that of the Israeli military do not match in many ways.&quot;&#160; As Juan Cole says:&#160; &quot;Many passengers have now confirmed that they were fired on even before the commandos [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/eyewitnesses-say-israelis-came-in-with-guns-blazing.html#comment-5342</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 07:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/04/gaza-flotilla-activists-autopsy-results&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Guardian report&lt;/a&gt; on autopsy results: &lt;i&gt;a 60-year-old man, Ibrahim Bilgen, was shot four times in the temple, chest, hip and back. A 19-year-old, named as Fulkan Dogan, who also has US citizenship, was shot five times from less that 45cm, in the face, in the back of the head, twice in the leg and once in the back.&lt;/i&gt;

(In the same paper: a brief, sensible &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/04/turkey-israel-gaza-lesson&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;account&lt;/a&gt; of the recent evolution of Turkey&#039;s foreign policy.)

In an aerial video released by the Israelis (with yellow Hebrew text and a circle to draw people&#039;s attention to another incident - something being thrown, I think), I remember seeing a blurry figure approach another - who appeared to be stationary, perhaps already lying stunned or wounded on the deck - and, arm extended, discharge two shots at close range. Given that Israel had released the video, I thought I must be mistaken (was I?) - forgetting that the propagandists assume, sadly often correctly, that video so absorbs and befuddles us that we will see what we are told we are seeing, or at least forget to ask even the most basic questions (&quot;Who is holding the camera?&quot;, &quot;When were the images recorded?&quot;, &quot;Why are we not seeing footage of the other things we are told happened?&quot;). Remember how during its last war on Lebanon Israel released aerial footage of a mobile rocket launcher firing from near a house and then immediately leaving the scene? Anyone who wanted a justification for the Israeli destruction of the house some time later, killing many civilians sheltering inside, was inexplicably quite satisfied by these pictures. It seemed TV-treated brains couldn&#039;t accomodate more than one idea at a time, so that &quot;Did Hezbollah fire any rockets from the vicinity of civilian buildings?&quot; completely eclipsed &quot;So if the Israelis had these images then why the hell did they bomb the &lt;i&gt;house&lt;/i&gt;?!&quot; People even believed that these large rockets were launched from inside houses, never wondering whether such a weapon could be fired out of a window, let alone manoeuvred into a room, or if it could, whether the blowback in a confined space might kill the person firing it, or if it didn&#039;t whether the house would afford any protection from Israeli bombs and missiles.

When it comes to Israeli propaganda, we can believe none of what we hear and half of what we see. Part of the reason for the Mavi Marmara atrocity may be that, while we tend to assume Israel&#039;s more hysterical propaganda is directed at sustaining the stupidest, most reflexively Islamophobic constituency abroad, many Israelis believe their own lines about &quot;humanitarian terrorists&quot;, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/04/gaza-flotilla-activists-autopsy-results" rel="nofollow">Guardian report</a> on autopsy results: <i>a 60-year-old man, Ibrahim Bilgen, was shot four times in the temple, chest, hip and back. A 19-year-old, named as Fulkan Dogan, who also has US citizenship, was shot five times from less that 45cm, in the face, in the back of the head, twice in the leg and once in the back.</i></p>
<p>(In the same paper: a brief, sensible <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/04/turkey-israel-gaza-lesson" rel="nofollow">account</a> of the recent evolution of Turkey&#8217;s foreign policy.)</p>
<p>In an aerial video released by the Israelis (with yellow Hebrew text and a circle to draw people&#8217;s attention to another incident &#8211; something being thrown, I think), I remember seeing a blurry figure approach another &#8211; who appeared to be stationary, perhaps already lying stunned or wounded on the deck &#8211; and, arm extended, discharge two shots at close range. Given that Israel had released the video, I thought I must be mistaken (was I?) &#8211; forgetting that the propagandists assume, sadly often correctly, that video so absorbs and befuddles us that we will see what we are told we are seeing, or at least forget to ask even the most basic questions (&#8220;Who is holding the camera?&#8221;, &#8220;When were the images recorded?&#8221;, &#8220;Why are we not seeing footage of the other things we are told happened?&#8221;). Remember how during its last war on Lebanon Israel released aerial footage of a mobile rocket launcher firing from near a house and then immediately leaving the scene? Anyone who wanted a justification for the Israeli destruction of the house some time later, killing many civilians sheltering inside, was inexplicably quite satisfied by these pictures. It seemed TV-treated brains couldn&#8217;t accomodate more than one idea at a time, so that &#8220;Did Hezbollah fire any rockets from the vicinity of civilian buildings?&#8221; completely eclipsed &#8220;So if the Israelis had these images then why the hell did they bomb the <i>house</i>?!&#8221; People even believed that these large rockets were launched from inside houses, never wondering whether such a weapon could be fired out of a window, let alone manoeuvred into a room, or if it could, whether the blowback in a confined space might kill the person firing it, or if it didn&#8217;t whether the house would afford any protection from Israeli bombs and missiles.</p>
<p>When it comes to Israeli propaganda, we can believe none of what we hear and half of what we see. Part of the reason for the Mavi Marmara atrocity may be that, while we tend to assume Israel&#8217;s more hysterical propaganda is directed at sustaining the stupidest, most reflexively Islamophobic constituency abroad, many Israelis believe their own lines about &#8220;humanitarian terrorists&#8221;, etc.</p>
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