Comments on: Schumer’s Sippenhaftung and the Children of Gaza http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/schumers-sippenhaftung-and-the-children-of-gaza.html Thoughts on the Middle East, History and Religion Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:17:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Hamdan Azhar: Strangling Gaza and the Radicalization of Political Discourse | USA Trends http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/schumers-sippenhaftung-and-the-children-of-gaza.html#comment-6656 Hamdan Azhar: Strangling Gaza and the Radicalization of Political Discourse | USA Trends Fri, 25 Jun 2010 00:01:28 +0000 http://www.juancole.com/?p=7421#comment-6656 [...] went so far as to draw parallels between the senator’s suggestion and the Nazi policy of Sippenhaftung under which relatives of political dissidents were systematically persecuted by the [...] [...] went so far as to draw parallels between the senator’s suggestion and the Nazi policy of Sippenhaftung under which relatives of political dissidents were systematically persecuted by the [...]

]]> By: Cause and effect in the War on Terror: Evidence of the Link Between U.S. Policy and Terrorism « Bear Market News http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/schumers-sippenhaftung-and-the-children-of-gaza.html#comment-6520 Cause and effect in the War on Terror: Evidence of the Link Between U.S. Policy and Terrorism « Bear Market News Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:15:15 +0000 http://www.juancole.com/?p=7421#comment-6520 [...] the people select the government. We consider them all the same" (the same rationale used to justify the punishment of the people of Gaza for electing Hamas).  When the Judge interrupted him to ask whether that includes children who might have been killed [...] [...] the people select the government. We consider them all the same” (the same rationale used to justify the punishment of the people of Gaza for electing Hamas).  When the Judge interrupted him to ask whether that includes children who might have been killed [...]

]]> By: rightofreturn http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/schumers-sippenhaftung-and-the-children-of-gaza.html#comment-6418 rightofreturn Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:45:03 +0000 http://www.juancole.com/?p=7421#comment-6418 Professor, this is an excellent commentary. But there is something in your commentary that worries me. You mention compensation for refugees living in Gaza but you don't mention their return. I think this is very worrisome. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict will not be resolved unless refugees return home. I know that as the time passes this becomes more difficult - and Israel willfully prolongs this, but a strategic mistake of Palestinian movement and its supporters is that they don't seem to see that the key issue in the conflict has always been the return of refugees. They have wrongfully replaced this human rights issue with the nationalistic issue of two states for two nations. Imagine if right from 1948, the main demand was return of refugees to their homew to live under Israeli law (yes I want to emphasize Israeli law.) Then the whole conflict would have turned into issue of civil rights not conflict between two nations. I know Israel would have resisted this, but the world would have backed Palestinians. In fact, if Truman had allowed the refugees to return, the world would not have the intractable problems it is facing now. Professor, this is an excellent commentary. But there is something in your commentary that worries me. You mention compensation for refugees living in Gaza but you don’t mention their return. I think this is very worrisome. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict will not be resolved unless refugees return home. I know that as the time passes this becomes more difficult – and Israel willfully prolongs this, but a strategic mistake of Palestinian movement and its supporters is that they don’t seem to see that the key issue in the conflict has always been the return of refugees. They have wrongfully replaced this human rights issue with the nationalistic issue of two states for two nations. Imagine if right from 1948, the main demand was return of refugees to their homew to live under Israeli law (yes I want to emphasize Israeli law.) Then the whole conflict would have turned into issue of civil rights not conflict between two nations. I know Israel would have resisted this, but the world would have backed Palestinians. In fact, if Truman had allowed the refugees to return, the world would not have the intractable problems it is facing now.

]]> By: Adam http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/schumers-sippenhaftung-and-the-children-of-gaza.html#comment-6383 Adam Sat, 19 Jun 2010 11:36:43 +0000 http://www.juancole.com/?p=7421#comment-6383 This is really a reply to trendless. It is a shame that so many people rely on sites like IfAmericansKnew for their information about Israel because you seem to be severely misinformed. Not only are non-Jews allowed to immigrate to Israel one does not even necessarily have to be Jewish to qualify under the right-of-return law. It is interesting that you mention the security council as well because right now Israel, as the only UN member state denied membership to its regional group, is also the only member denied a turn as a temporary member of the security council. This is really a reply to trendless.

It is a shame that so many people rely on sites like IfAmericansKnew for their information about Israel because you seem to be severely misinformed. Not only are non-Jews allowed to immigrate to Israel one does not even necessarily have to be Jewish to qualify under the right-of-return law.

It is interesting that you mention the security council as well because right now Israel, as the only UN member state denied membership to its regional group, is also the only member denied a turn as a temporary member of the security council.

]]> By: The Progressive Mind » Schumer’s Sippenhaftung and the Children of Gaza | Informed Comment http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/schumers-sippenhaftung-and-the-children-of-gaza.html#comment-6256 The Progressive Mind » Schumer’s Sippenhaftung and the Children of Gaza | Informed Comment Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:53:50 +0000 http://www.juancole.com/?p=7421#comment-6256 [...] Schumer’s Sippenhaftung and the Children of Gaza | Informed Comment. June 16th, 2010 | Category: Uncategorized | Comments are closed | [...] [...] Schumer’s Sippenhaftung and the Children of Gaza | Informed Comment. June 16th, 2010 | Category: Uncategorized | Comments are closed | [...]

]]> By: Attack of Reason http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/schumers-sippenhaftung-and-the-children-of-gaza.html#comment-6237 Attack of Reason Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:18:02 +0000 http://www.juancole.com/?p=7421#comment-6237 Schumer is incredbly repugnant on this issue, but he knows not of what he speaks. It is sad that he is so deluded and his audience is so deluded. Perhaps he speaks from cash accrued and seeks to maintain the delusion of his audience. It is good politics- for him, not for the American people. In either case, no good comes of this. The average American Jew is even more deluded than the typically deluded American, hard-pressed to believe that that was even possible. At least some of the Israelis still know and have a conscience and we can look to them to sort this out more sanely- to the extent they still have a voice which is not silenced. Schumer is incredbly repugnant on this issue, but he knows not of what he speaks.
It is sad that he is so deluded and his audience is so deluded. Perhaps he speaks from cash accrued and seeks to maintain the delusion of his audience. It is good politics- for him, not for the American people.
In either case, no good comes of this.
The average American Jew is even more deluded than the typically deluded American, hard-pressed to believe that that was even possible.
At least some of the Israelis still know and have a conscience and we can look to them to sort this out more sanely- to the extent they still have a voice which is not silenced.

]]> By: Shahid Shahid http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/schumers-sippenhaftung-and-the-children-of-gaza.html#comment-6119 Shahid Shahid Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:27:44 +0000 http://www.juancole.com/?p=7421#comment-6119 It is an open concentration camp, a GULAG created by those who beat the drums of Democracy, justice, equal rights and freedom of speech. Politicians generally have no shame or clothes. It is an open concentration camp, a GULAG created by those who beat the drums of Democracy, justice, equal rights and freedom of speech.

Politicians generally have no shame or clothes.

]]> By: Quotes « Chamblee54 http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/schumers-sippenhaftung-and-the-children-of-gaza.html#comment-6113 Quotes « Chamblee54 Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:02:31 +0000 http://www.juancole.com/?p=7421#comment-6113 [...] is sort of like accusing the pelicans in the Gulf of Mexico of not ‘recognizing’ BP." Juan Cole "Flags are good for two things, in my opinion – identifying a person or [...] [...] is sort of like accusing the pelicans in the Gulf of Mexico of not ‘recognizing’ BP.” Juan Cole “Flags are good for two things, in my opinion – identifying a person or [...]

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