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	<title>Comments on: Meyer: NY Times: Saber-rattling Against Turkey</title>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it clear--at least since 1991--that the NYT will miss no opportunity to slander any Muslim person or nation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it clear&#8211;at least since 1991&#8211;that the NYT will miss no opportunity to slander any Muslim person or nation?</p>
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		<title>By: Shahid Shahid</title>
		<link>http://www.juancole.com/2010/07/carlyn-ny-times-saber-rattling-against-turkey.html#comment-8465</link>
		<dc:creator>Shahid Shahid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 05:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are absolutely correct. 

In this country of ours called USA, one can criticize USA, US President, senator or congressmen but cannot say a critical thing about Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely correct. </p>
<p>In this country of ours called USA, one can criticize USA, US President, senator or congressmen but cannot say a critical thing about Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: conrad elledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>conrad elledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Just as The Times quoted government officials certain that Iraq possessed MWD yet neglected to investigate other expert views and independent sources, the newspaper repeats a cavalier brand of reporting...&quot;

Loved that last little bit &quot;cavalier brand of reporting&quot; or in straight talk dissemination bordering on and often fully brute propaganda.  It is painful in its don&#039;t mess with Texas type of we don&#039;t give a damn what&#039;s right or fair here we just know who we back and in this case as so many others for the NYT, it is Israel and big money US military adventurism.

The NYT is fast attaining the credibility of a pathologic liar only they are not funny.  Try to get them to say that when the US waterboards helpless prisoners that it is torture because they won&#039;t; they won&#039;t make that statement.  They are cowards who know they have a bad position.  Hope they are getting paid well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just as The Times quoted government officials certain that Iraq possessed MWD yet neglected to investigate other expert views and independent sources, the newspaper repeats a cavalier brand of reporting&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Loved that last little bit &#8220;cavalier brand of reporting&#8221; or in straight talk dissemination bordering on and often fully brute propaganda.  It is painful in its don&#8217;t mess with Texas type of we don&#8217;t give a damn what&#8217;s right or fair here we just know who we back and in this case as so many others for the NYT, it is Israel and big money US military adventurism.</p>
<p>The NYT is fast attaining the credibility of a pathologic liar only they are not funny.  Try to get them to say that when the US waterboards helpless prisoners that it is torture because they won&#8217;t; they won&#8217;t make that statement.  They are cowards who know they have a bad position.  Hope they are getting paid well.</p>
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		<title>By: dorothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>dorothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dare I ask: What exactly is the link (or links) between the NYT and the Israeli perspective, which the newspaper so unfailingly, and sometimes outrageously, promotes and defends?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dare I ask: What exactly is the link (or links) between the NYT and the Israeli perspective, which the newspaper so unfailingly, and sometimes outrageously, promotes and defends?</p>
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		<title>By: super390</title>
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		<dc:creator>super390</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing.  America keeps getting sick of unwinnable wars faster and faster, but we are surprised that the rest of the world is getting sick of us escalating these wars in the first place.  Instead of embracing peace, our leaders seem to be indoctrinating the voters that we are entitled to order other countries to do all our fighting for us - and Israel&#039;s fighting - because our two nations are the only moral ones in the world and all the wicked servant satrapies must pay tribute to that with the blood of their young men.  And our voters are buying into this insanity because they want the costs of war to go away but refuse to sacrifice any of the emotional benefits of being the &quot;most powerful country in the world&quot;.

I can&#039;t figure where this thinking is headed.  Since we keep losing these guerrilla wars that require so many of our couch potatoes to become boots on someone else&#039;s ground, I guess we secretly desire to blackmail other countries into providing the IED fodder instead.  We might not be able to hit the right tent in Pakistan, but we sure can hit London and Berlin with nukes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing.  America keeps getting sick of unwinnable wars faster and faster, but we are surprised that the rest of the world is getting sick of us escalating these wars in the first place.  Instead of embracing peace, our leaders seem to be indoctrinating the voters that we are entitled to order other countries to do all our fighting for us &#8211; and Israel&#8217;s fighting &#8211; because our two nations are the only moral ones in the world and all the wicked servant satrapies must pay tribute to that with the blood of their young men.  And our voters are buying into this insanity because they want the costs of war to go away but refuse to sacrifice any of the emotional benefits of being the &#8220;most powerful country in the world&#8221;.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t figure where this thinking is headed.  Since we keep losing these guerrilla wars that require so many of our couch potatoes to become boots on someone else&#8217;s ground, I guess we secretly desire to blackmail other countries into providing the IED fodder instead.  We might not be able to hit the right tent in Pakistan, but we sure can hit London and Berlin with nukes.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter VE</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter VE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The message to demonize Turkey must have gone out from the Village.  The Providence Journal, my local newspaper, ran an article (http://www.projo.com/opinion/contributors/content/CW_turkey26_07-26-10_7UJ9T5L_v6.413fdbe.html - originally from the LA Times)  accusing Turkey of having &quot;an over-inflated sense of its importance on the world stage&quot;.  They dutifully followed up the next day with an Editorial (&quot; Ataturk overturned?&quot; - http://www.projo.com/opinion/editorials/content/ED_turkey27_07-27-10_10J4KSI_v11.4140d1c.html) tut-tutting the policies of the Erdogan Government.  

Is this part of the build up to attacking Iran?  Or is it just a natural response when the little brown people don&#039;t kneel and tug their forelocks when we pass by?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The message to demonize Turkey must have gone out from the Village.  The Providence Journal, my local newspaper, ran an article (<a href="http://www.projo.com/opinion/contributors/content/CW_turkey26_07-26-10_7UJ9T5L_v6.413fdbe.html">link to projo.com</a><br /> &#8211; originally from the LA Times)  accusing Turkey of having &#8220;an over-inflated sense of its importance on the world stage&#8221;.  They dutifully followed up the next day with an Editorial (&#8221; Ataturk overturned?&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://www.projo.com/opinion/editorials/content/ED_turkey27_07-27-10_10J4KSI_v11.4140d1c.html)">link to projo.com</a><br /> tut-tutting the policies of the Erdogan Government.  </p>
<p>Is this part of the build up to attacking Iran?  Or is it just a natural response when the little brown people don&#8217;t kneel and tug their forelocks when we pass by?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be much easier to demonstrate &#039;ties&#039; between the New York Times and terrorists than it would be to show that IHH had any links to Hamas. 
This is not to suggest, for a moment, that the Times&#039;s support for terrorists, in Colombia for example, is anything more than an accidental result of its support of the US government&#039;s foreign policies or, in the case of Mexico, of the necessity of its major shareholders to protect their businesses. 
 In the case of Turkey, the danger is that the sub-text of the Times&#039;s articles is urging military officers to stage a coup against a government which is &quot;islamist&#039; only in the sense that the British government is Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be much easier to demonstrate &#8216;ties&#8217; between the New York Times and terrorists than it would be to show that IHH had any links to Hamas.<br />
This is not to suggest, for a moment, that the Times&#8217;s support for terrorists, in Colombia for example, is anything more than an accidental result of its support of the US government&#8217;s foreign policies or, in the case of Mexico, of the necessity of its major shareholders to protect their businesses.<br />
 In the case of Turkey, the danger is that the sub-text of the Times&#8217;s articles is urging military officers to stage a coup against a government which is &#8220;islamist&#8217; only in the sense that the British government is Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Berg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday on local music radio, the on-air &quot;Personalities&quot; howled and pilloried Oliver Stone over his recent comments on how many Russians died in WW2 compared to jews, and his stated suspicions the American press is heavily influenced, possibly controlled, by a determined pro-Insraeli lobby. Never the brightest of folks, these radio people serve as great indicators of how untouchable all things Israeli and jewish are in this nation. No criticism, no suspicion, no questions allowed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday on local music radio, the on-air &#8220;Personalities&#8221; howled and pilloried Oliver Stone over his recent comments on how many Russians died in WW2 compared to jews, and his stated suspicions the American press is heavily influenced, possibly controlled, by a determined pro-Insraeli lobby. Never the brightest of folks, these radio people serve as great indicators of how untouchable all things Israeli and jewish are in this nation. No criticism, no suspicion, no questions allowed.</p>
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