Egypt: Elbaradei, al-Azhar, Leftist Youth Condemn Excessive Force

Egypt reacted with shock and grief to the massacre of Muslim Brothers early Sunday morning. Even figures who supported the July 3 coup such as Vice President for Foreign Affairs Muhammad Elbaradei and the Rector of the Al-Azhar Seminary criticized the military for using excessive force. It seems clear that Brotherhood members were attempting to take control of the crucial October 6 overpass (which goes on for miles and links downtown Egypt to Nasr City). But the military used disproportionate force and so took a lot of criticism.

The left-liberal April 6 Youth movement condemned the bloodshed (they had opposed the holding of Friday’s demonstrations in favor of the military, as well.

The incident took the sheen off the massive pro-military demonstrations throughout the country on Friday, which Gen. Abdel Fattah al-Sisi had asked for to give him a pretext to crack down on the Brotherhood.

The better hope would be to find a framework for the reintegration of the Brotherhood into normal Egyptian politics (I think it would have to accept the narrative of Muhammd Mursi’s having over-reached and perhaps even engaged in illegal activities). But at the moment, any such reconciliation seems light years away. Indeed, the new Interior Minister is pledging to clear Rabia al-Adawiya Square, where the crowds have gathered, setting the stage for more massacres.

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17 Responses

  1. Perhaps a military which overthrows an elected government, calls for street protests and then delibarately kills dozens of street protestors has also over-reached and perhaps even engaged in illegal activities?

  2. Are any groups in Egypt still saying that the military are a benign, patriotic force for good?

  3. What illegal activities did Morsi engage in? The tone of your comment on this suggests you believe there was some such activity. What was it?

    • If so, he should be prosecuted as per the Egyptian Law, not deposed. Yes, it is looking ugly, this non-coup. If you feel this post is too close to the Obama Admin line, may I recommend angryarab.net? You will get perspective that is Arab-centered there.

        • No, because he was never democratically elected

          So?

          Do you follow the law or not?

          You can’t bang on about how important the rule of law is, and then advocate the blatantly illegal action of overthrowing the government.

          The real answer, of course, is that talking about prosecuting either of those power-grabbing dictators when they are in office, using the organs of state to maintain their power, is a silly fantasy. You might as well talk about prosecuting the Pharaoh. Can he bring his throne to the courtroom?

      • As with various US-involved government overthrows, and the many others that have not benefited from US involvement, after the fact the successful regime changes are ipso facto “not illegal.” That’s the thing about Rule of Law: there are no rights without remedies, and without enforcement of “the law,” that chimaerical beast, who’s to say what is legal or not? There’s a gazillion examples of “interpretations” and prosecutorial discretions and ambiguities and flat-out “statues and treaties and constitution are quaint documents” that only need to be referred to if they support the Will of the Ruler. link to youtube.com

        After all, f___ing up Iraq was “legal.”

  4. The Middle East is a religious construct. It wasn’t always a myserious other. Indeed it was contiguos with the occident until very recently. A common religion, language, literature, trade.

    in antiquity the ME was the eastern end of the ‘Mare Nostrum’. In late antiquity Rome was invaded by Arabs who swept in to subjugate the settled peoples of the area who were by and large Latin, Aramaic, Greek and a small population of assimilated Arabs. The final destruction of this civilized world was the work of Turks in their relentless ambition to conquer Constantinople. I know that the blog author has the same sources as I do, he also knows that this civilization was targeted by freebooting Arab warriors and swept into the trashcan of history by these warriors. How is it that this aggression can be ignored? At the other end these warriors obliterated Hindus and Buddhists, so the aggression is nothing unique to Islam and Christianity.

  5. Here’s the latest from Mohamed Ibrahim. I haven’t laughed this hard since seeing my first Marx Brothers film:

    His officers “have never and will never shoot a bullet on any Egyptian.”

    Must have been Mossad.

  6. This is like asking Stalinists to integrate into the Republican Spanish government. Everything I’ve seen from the MB suggests that they
    Brook no opposition. Perhaps as Chomsky suggests, it is hypocritical for a westerner to point out this character in the MB, but I certainly see them as an alien and hostile opponent to be suppressed.

  7. Note the enormous discrepancy in how this event is covered.

    If Morsy or the Muslim Brotherhood had committed the same atrocities, we can imagine how the US press would have covered it and denounced it,how Secretary of State Kerry would have reacted, and the nature of the comments he would have made.

    But when the Egyptian military state commits the atrocity, we have little more than a call for restraint.

  8. After what has happened, I am not sure if the military has a choice but to make sure the MB stays out of the government totally. If they came back even as an influential minority party they could and likely would make noise about these killings and demand inquests, prosecutions and so on. The military needs to make sure it stays in a position where only its political enemies can be guilty of crimes.

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