Israel will become a less racial nationalist state when it turns over authority to decide and administer rabbinical law to liberal Reform.
But it won't, since liberal Reform now say Jewish identity can be passed thru the father only and have much less strict rules for conversion. The "toughest Jews" have to be in Israel, you see-even many liberal Jews will whisper that to a non-Jew. The dividing line re essential Mideast politics comes when a Jew is willing to reject Zionism in toto, and opt for a one-state solution, full right of return for all Palestinians.
But there could never become a time when Israel as a Zionist entity would define Christian ex-Jews as Jews. The law of return specifically says Christian converts are ineligible for return and are "ex-Jews."
This is a 2000 year old paradigm....you can be a Buddhist Jew
or a Scientologist Jew but not a Christian Jew-according to the
inherently anti-Christian by degrees rabbininate. And you gotta be tough to maintain territory you stole from the natives.
But try telling all that to the 'Christian' Zionist cult of Hagee and Co.
The traditional position of the Christian Church, western and eastern sees was that "Israel" meant the Christian Church after the Jews rejected Christ. This went hand in hand with the doctrine of the conditionality on obedience of the Abrahamic Covenant-to be obedient, Jews must convert to Christianity. The land of Israel might as well have meant the Land of the Christian Church,some remnant converted Jews grafted in,all told, the spiritual Seed of Abraham.
It wasn't until the 19th century's premillenial dispensationalists ("Christian" Zionists) read it any other way.
Traditional Israel-critical anti-imperial rightists like Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul of course also don't like social liberal "values," agreeing with the Arab-Muslim conservative majority on most of these.
The ADL does not demand Beck leave the air but it did demand
demand Buchanan be kicked off as well as the Liberty Lobby radio show of the 197OS, BOTH SUCCESSFULLY.
and unluckily, the dominant majority of Israelis, who also don't like non-neocon traditional American rightists, don't agree that your (proper) stand against settlements represents friendship. They take a most "right wing" (from an Israeli perspective) stand on imperialism.
Ishmaelis weren't Muslims then when practising violence in their violent era. Of course if the Islamophobes are also playing propandistic games, Cole should get a pass. One should never never mention though, sections of the Talmud denigrate Christ and Christians, and boast of complicity in the Crucifixion.
That's career-destroying.
Eastern Orthodoxy dates as far back as Roman Catholicism, or further if you understand the power of the Bishop of Rome did not become assumed by Rome as in any meaningful way superior until 500 at the earliest. And Orthodoxy has always had married priests, and the RC Church did not emphasize celibacy until circa 900. So not sure how that bolsters your history or not, as Orthodoxy has always assumed Christ's celibacy as well.
Why is everyone here being so cautious? Joe Klein just correctly averred if Iran DID get the bomb it would help Middle East peace by creating better balance.
If conservative American Christianity was not apocalyptic
Christian (sic) Zionism, you can bet David Horowitz would not have alinged with it, so the comparison is very awkward.
Frankly as a somewhat decadent Westerner, the video/music
is okay- but is that the prototype Azerbaijani
woman's profile, or is she supposed to be a foreigner pursued by a more typical ethnic male?
Seems a more fitting entry would have been either the "Azerbaijani's Pete Seeger" protest song or at least a more traditional pop song with a Aj folk-influenced melody.
Unluckily for liberals such as Prof Cole, what happens more often than not, is that when "racism" is relaxed as practised against one (unassimilable as opposed to for instance the Slav as depicted above) minority, the vaccuum
is filled by the racist vindictive resentment of the former victim.
So, as Pat Buchanan writes, tribalism will always be with us.
Sarkozy in fact is part Jewish and from his general comments on Israel, would probably rank among those who would call such Israeli critics as Noam Chomsky "self-hating."
"Obama clearly is leaning to the US best interests, and good for him, but there is a very fine game he must play to do so in the months leading up to the election, when Israeli power will diminish somewhat."
Prof Cole outlined where Obama is wrong about Iran's rights, and that outline shows the "lean" is more aptly described as a holding action at best.
If a substantial percentage of Israelis believe,assume the American government will support an attack on Iran-at least under the table, it would distort your cited statistical intent, would it not, Prof Cole?
It's time to reinforce that while the term "evangelical" sounds innocent enough, the fact is that what has become "mainstream right-wing Christianity" in the United States is apocalpytic dispensational premillenialism, otherwise known as "Christian (sic) Zionism." Its theology is not traditional even in the loosest sense and its derivation (mid 19th Century England) hardly outdates that of Mormonism.
I'll leave to others just now to comment on what this says about "American Chrsitianity" in a cultural sense. Long treatises could be written on the subject, but it does not reflect well about its state.
In matters related to Middle East politics, it,"evangelicalism," assumes dangerous cult status, running interference for the worst impulses of Likudnik-ism and fuels an unwinnable "long war" against unnecessary "enemies."
but you don't argue with the section of your wiki entry?
"On the day of the U.S. invasion, however, Cole endorsed the war, writing that "for all the concerns one might have about the aftermath, the removal of Saddam Hussein and the murderous Baath regime from power will be worth the sacrifices that are about to be made on all sides."[50] Later he tried to dissociate himself from either pro-war or anti-war stances, stating that he had "mixed feelings" on the issue. (I.e., he opposed Saddam Hussein's regime, but feared disaster.)[51]"
I'll meet you half way, but China has the advantage of not
having for the past few decades comitted periodic wholesale imperial violence, ovethrowing governments and the like,on the opposite side of the globe from its natural borders, even if those borders some regional antagonists might justly or unjustly put into question.
Professor...Clinton's man "deregulating Robert Rubin" complicit.
Of course the real "nativist" position is that of Buchanan: Antiwar,(Iraq AND Afghanistan) pro-tarriffs, anti-bailout of banks but pro bailout of GM.
Buchanan is certainly preferable to pro-bailout, pro-Afghanistan waste, not to mention drone bombing Obama on these taken as a whole. Did anybody really believe free trader Obama would renegotiate Nafta, particularly after his subordinates were caught with their "don't worry-it's only campaign rhetoric," in Canada I believe?
The GOP elite and the Democratic elite are about equally to blame for the economy and the wars. The Dem elite used to be
pro working class, little emphasis on gender, social politics. Now its deracinated liberal yuppies--a compliment to the GOPs deracinated WASP plutocrats,and their very racist Likudist allies.
Obama has lost most of the street cred he had three years ago in the Arab/Moslem/Palestinian world. Abbas said O let him down three times, he refused to criticize Israel for Gaza, wouldn't stand behind the Goldstone report, he pressured the Iraqi government behind the scenes to extend the stay....and the Dodd Frank bill is not a particularly strong bill.
I don't believe Israel cared much whether Khadafi went or stayed.
Majid is wrong anyway. Glenn Greenwald the other day cited a very recent Egyptian poll which shows the US ranks very low in their estimation, Obama and Hillary not having impressed the Egypt street one whit with their shucks and jives and continued kowtowing to Israel.
The problem with monarchies in the Mideast is that they are pro-American Empire monarchies, against the wishes of their people's "street," not necessarily that they are monarchies.
Of course I will consider the proposition if there are takers it would be impossible for a monarchy in that region to be adequately pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist.
You're right, and it's posts like this which drive many Euro-American erstwhile antiwar economic near-liberals away from the left even when it's "right" on really key issues.
It is not as if Maliki hasn't done his share of vioent repression as well. But what, other than Bush-Cheney propganda, makes you believe your definition of "freedom" is anything like either that of a prototype Iraqi Sunni or Shia?
Prof Cole, you surely as something of a religious scholar must know, however, that Traditional Christian doctrine, and by that I mean both Roman Catholic and Protestant Reformer, not to mention Eastern Orthodoxy, ALL have the Abrahamic Covenant (land promise) as being conditional on obedience to God, and was nullified because the Jews were not obedient, that is, did not accept Christ.
The "left wing" of the Protestant Reformation is indeed a modernist heresy which did not materialize until the 19th Century and "perfected" its heresy in the dispensationalist
millenialism aka "Christian Zionism" which reversed 2000 years of Tradition and insisted God gave (paradoxically non-Semitic majority) European Jews the land forever.
The three most influential politicos closest to "white nationalism" of the past few decades are and were David Duke, Pat Buchanan and his mentor Sam Francis.
All are/were antiwar, not hawkish in the least. All opposed and oppose all the wars the US fought in from Clinton's attack on Serbia thru the Iraq Wars and Afghan wars.
All are and were protectionists also, not free traders, admittedly a flaw in Ron Paul's otherwise laudable platform.
Israel will become a less racial nationalist state when it turns over authority to decide and administer rabbinical law to liberal Reform.
But it won't, since liberal Reform now say Jewish identity can be passed thru the father only and have much less strict rules for conversion. The "toughest Jews" have to be in Israel, you see-even many liberal Jews will whisper that to a non-Jew. The dividing line re essential Mideast politics comes when a Jew is willing to reject Zionism in toto, and opt for a one-state solution, full right of return for all Palestinians.
But there could never become a time when Israel as a Zionist entity would define Christian ex-Jews as Jews. The law of return specifically says Christian converts are ineligible for return and are "ex-Jews."
This is a 2000 year old paradigm....you can be a Buddhist Jew
or a Scientologist Jew but not a Christian Jew-according to the
inherently anti-Christian by degrees rabbininate. And you gotta be tough to maintain territory you stole from the natives.
But try telling all that to the 'Christian' Zionist cult of Hagee and Co.
Not if the former believed in it too, for bad reasons of course.
William James Martin
The traditional position of the Christian Church, western and eastern sees was that "Israel" meant the Christian Church after the Jews rejected Christ. This went hand in hand with the doctrine of the conditionality on obedience of the Abrahamic Covenant-to be obedient, Jews must convert to Christianity. The land of Israel might as well have meant the Land of the Christian Church,some remnant converted Jews grafted in,all told, the spiritual Seed of Abraham.
It wasn't until the 19th century's premillenial dispensationalists ("Christian" Zionists) read it any other way.
if he was a Nader or Green voter...or Constitution on the right for example, Brian's comment makes sense.
Duopoly corruption is beyond reform.
Traditional Israel-critical anti-imperial rightists like Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul of course also don't like social liberal "values," agreeing with the Arab-Muslim conservative majority on most of these.
The ADL does not demand Beck leave the air but it did demand
demand Buchanan be kicked off as well as the Liberty Lobby radio show of the 197OS, BOTH SUCCESSFULLY.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/blacklisting-pat-buchanan/
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/23257/Default.aspx
and unluckily, the dominant majority of Israelis, who also don't like non-neocon traditional American rightists, don't agree that your (proper) stand against settlements represents friendship. They take a most "right wing" (from an Israeli perspective) stand on imperialism.
Ishmaelis weren't Muslims then when practising violence in their violent era. Of course if the Islamophobes are also playing propandistic games, Cole should get a pass. One should never never mention though, sections of the Talmud denigrate Christ and Christians, and boast of complicity in the Crucifixion.
That's career-destroying.
http://tarpley.net/2012/10/03/emergency-call-for-a-united-front-against-austerity/
But Obama leans austerity as well. Here is a better plan than either O or the Spanish elite is offering.
Unluckily, it is hard to do "socialist nationalism" in a splintering multicultural country.
Eastern Orthodoxy dates as far back as Roman Catholicism, or further if you understand the power of the Bishop of Rome did not become assumed by Rome as in any meaningful way superior until 500 at the earliest. And Orthodoxy has always had married priests, and the RC Church did not emphasize celibacy until circa 900. So not sure how that bolsters your history or not, as Orthodoxy has always assumed Christ's celibacy as well.
Why is everyone here being so cautious? Joe Klein just correctly averred if Iran DID get the bomb it would help Middle East peace by creating better balance.
If conservative American Christianity was not apocalyptic
Christian (sic) Zionism, you can bet David Horowitz would not have alinged with it, so the comparison is very awkward.
Frankly as a somewhat decadent Westerner, the video/music
is okay- but is that the prototype Azerbaijani
woman's profile, or is she supposed to be a foreigner pursued by a more typical ethnic male?
Seems a more fitting entry would have been either the "Azerbaijani's Pete Seeger" protest song or at least a more traditional pop song with a Aj folk-influenced melody.
I can meet the mullahs half way on this.
Unluckily for liberals such as Prof Cole, what happens more often than not, is that when "racism" is relaxed as practised against one (unassimilable as opposed to for instance the Slav as depicted above) minority, the vaccuum
is filled by the racist vindictive resentment of the former victim.
So, as Pat Buchanan writes, tribalism will always be with us.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2012/03/27/obamas-real-missile-defense-mistake/
I hope Prokhanov and Dugin have Putin and Medvedev's ear, because Obama is no Russophile.
Sarkozy in fact is part Jewish and from his general comments on Israel, would probably rank among those who would call such Israeli critics as Noam Chomsky "self-hating."
"Obama clearly is leaning to the US best interests, and good for him, but there is a very fine game he must play to do so in the months leading up to the election, when Israeli power will diminish somewhat."
Prof Cole outlined where Obama is wrong about Iran's rights, and that outline shows the "lean" is more aptly described as a holding action at best.
If a substantial percentage of Israelis believe,assume the American government will support an attack on Iran-at least under the table, it would distort your cited statistical intent, would it not, Prof Cole?
It's time to reinforce that while the term "evangelical" sounds innocent enough, the fact is that what has become "mainstream right-wing Christianity" in the United States is apocalpytic dispensational premillenialism, otherwise known as "Christian (sic) Zionism." Its theology is not traditional even in the loosest sense and its derivation (mid 19th Century England) hardly outdates that of Mormonism.
I'll leave to others just now to comment on what this says about "American Chrsitianity" in a cultural sense. Long treatises could be written on the subject, but it does not reflect well about its state.
In matters related to Middle East politics, it,"evangelicalism," assumes dangerous cult status, running interference for the worst impulses of Likudnik-ism and fuels an unwinnable "long war" against unnecessary "enemies."
Empires inevitably have to be brought down kicking and screaming, not via parliamentary procedure.
Ron Paul's blowback applies to Israel as well as to the U.S.
Now, the only fair and sane US nuke policy would be to force Israel to dismantle its nukes and enable a Mideast Free Nuke Zone.
But since Israel fairly controls US Mideast policy, unless Ron Paul can sneak in, his blowback inevitably will.
but you don't argue with the section of your wiki entry?
"On the day of the U.S. invasion, however, Cole endorsed the war, writing that "for all the concerns one might have about the aftermath, the removal of Saddam Hussein and the murderous Baath regime from power will be worth the sacrifices that are about to be made on all sides."[50] Later he tried to dissociate himself from either pro-war or anti-war stances, stating that he had "mixed feelings" on the issue. (I.e., he opposed Saddam Hussein's regime, but feared disaster.)[51]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Cole
I'll meet you half way, but China has the advantage of not
having for the past few decades comitted periodic wholesale imperial violence, ovethrowing governments and the like,on the opposite side of the globe from its natural borders, even if those borders some regional antagonists might justly or unjustly put into question.
Professor...Clinton's man "deregulating Robert Rubin" complicit.
Of course the real "nativist" position is that of Buchanan: Antiwar,(Iraq AND Afghanistan) pro-tarriffs, anti-bailout of banks but pro bailout of GM.
Buchanan is certainly preferable to pro-bailout, pro-Afghanistan waste, not to mention drone bombing Obama on these taken as a whole. Did anybody really believe free trader Obama would renegotiate Nafta, particularly after his subordinates were caught with their "don't worry-it's only campaign rhetoric," in Canada I believe?
The GOP elite and the Democratic elite are about equally to blame for the economy and the wars. The Dem elite used to be
pro working class, little emphasis on gender, social politics. Now its deracinated liberal yuppies--a compliment to the GOPs deracinated WASP plutocrats,and their very racist Likudist allies.
Obama has lost most of the street cred he had three years ago in the Arab/Moslem/Palestinian world. Abbas said O let him down three times, he refused to criticize Israel for Gaza, wouldn't stand behind the Goldstone report, he pressured the Iraqi government behind the scenes to extend the stay....and the Dodd Frank bill is not a particularly strong bill.
I don't believe Israel cared much whether Khadafi went or stayed.
If Obama resists it will only be because he fears Iran can destroy his presidency. Someone get him this.
http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NA31Ak02.html
but does this hypothtical coalition mean Egypt will continue to be a puppet for US "interests" meaning Israeli interests in large part, if effected?
Majid is wrong anyway. Glenn Greenwald the other day cited a very recent Egyptian poll which shows the US ranks very low in their estimation, Obama and Hillary not having impressed the Egypt street one whit with their shucks and jives and continued kowtowing to Israel.
The problem with monarchies in the Mideast is that they are pro-American Empire monarchies, against the wishes of their people's "street," not necessarily that they are monarchies.
Of course I will consider the proposition if there are takers it would be impossible for a monarchy in that region to be adequately pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist.
Ash
You're right, and it's posts like this which drive many Euro-American erstwhile antiwar economic near-liberals away from the left even when it's "right" on really key issues.
Joe from Lowell gives pretty much the analysis that a person would who only got Iraq news from Limbaugh Hannity and Levin.
Avnery is a "Zionist lite," and an opponent of boycotting Israel, at least as of 2009.
http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/on-rationalizing-israels-dispossession-of-the-palestinians/
Prof Cole, two statemetns of yours above.
"if the (Syrian) regime is going to survive, it will want to look east to Iran and perhaps China."
"Iraq is a very complex place and it still is, in odd ways, an American ally."
I would suggest that if the Iraqi regime is going to stablize and survive, it will not stay long an American ally in any meaningful way.
Steve Crickmore
It is not as if Maliki hasn't done his share of vioent repression as well. But what, other than Bush-Cheney propganda, makes you believe your definition of "freedom" is anything like either that of a prototype Iraqi Sunni or Shia?
http://www.thenation.com/blog/162908/obamas-nato-war-oil-libya
Dreyfuss on Nato and Obama's motives.
Prof Cole, you surely as something of a religious scholar must know, however, that Traditional Christian doctrine, and by that I mean both Roman Catholic and Protestant Reformer, not to mention Eastern Orthodoxy, ALL have the Abrahamic Covenant (land promise) as being conditional on obedience to God, and was nullified because the Jews were not obedient, that is, did not accept Christ.
The "left wing" of the Protestant Reformation is indeed a modernist heresy which did not materialize until the 19th Century and "perfected" its heresy in the dispensationalist
millenialism aka "Christian Zionism" which reversed 2000 years of Tradition and insisted God gave (paradoxically non-Semitic majority) European Jews the land forever.
marshmello
The "mess created" will continue being denied to the American people, just as Mullen is denying the truth about Afghanistan.
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2011/08/afghanistan-what-government.html
The three most influential politicos closest to "white nationalism" of the past few decades are and were David Duke, Pat Buchanan and his mentor Sam Francis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_T._Francis
All are/were antiwar, not hawkish in the least. All opposed and oppose all the wars the US fought in from Clinton's attack on Serbia thru the Iraq Wars and Afghan wars.
All are and were protectionists also, not free traders, admittedly a flaw in Ron Paul's otherwise laudable platform.