Can Gen. Petraeus and Ryan Crocker Save the Next Democratic President?
Despite what the pundits will say, I fear the testimony of Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker on the Hill Monday and Tuesday is not a turning point, does not give Bush breathing room, and is largely irrelevant.
To any extent that what they do in Iraq ends up making a real positive difference, Petraeus and Crocker will likely be doing the Democrats a big favor, not Bush, who won't be in office much longer.
The central question is whether the Democrats can force a significant reduction of troops from Iraq on Bush's watch, so as to avoid Iraq becoming exclusively their headache when they (as is likely) take over the White House in January of 2009. If they could, this drawdown would be the best option. Certainly, that is what a majority of Iraqis thinks, according to the new BBC/ABC poll.
But the answer is: No. The Democrats cannot get the troops out of Iraq because they cannot overturn a Bush veto in the House of Representatives, and because they cannot overcome the need for a consensus of 60 senators in the Senate. Some Democrats, such as Joe Lieberman, oppose a rapid withdrawal. And the likelihood that 11 Republican senators will suddenly become withdrawalniks between now and November, 2008, is negligible.
The testimony of Petraeus and Crocker may marginally reinforce the will of the Republicans to stay the course, but I do not think it is decisive. In all likelihood, the Republican senators would have continued to block their Democratic colleagues from doing anything really dramatic, anyway.
If the Democrats cannot prevail in withdrawing before Bush goes out of office (and they cannot), and if they then rapidly draw down the troops on taking office in 2009, they face the real prospect of a "Gerald Ford meltdown" of the sort that occurred in 1975 when the North Vietnamese and their VC allies took over South Vietnam.
You will note that Ford only served a couple of years as president and lost his election bid to a relative unknown named Jimmy Carter. Although economic stagflation and the stain of Watergate contributed to his defeat, I think the spectacle of the debacle in Indochina harmed Ford a great deal. The United States lost a war, and lost out to its ideological rival in an entire subcontinent of Asia in the midst of the Cold War. That would cause at least some Republicans to stay home in 1976, a sure way for Democrats to win an election.
Could 2010 look for Iraq like 1975 looked in Vietnam? Yes. I just do not see evidence that either the new Iraqi political class or the Iraqi security forces are likely to have the maturity to avoid a conflagration when the US military withdraws.
There are three major wars going on in Iraq: 1) for control of oil-rich Basra, among Shiite militias and tribes; 2) for control of Baghdad and its hinterlands between Sunni Arabs and Shiites; and 3) for control of oil-rich Kirkuk in the north, between Kurds on the one side and Arabs and Turkmen on the other.
Gen. Petraeus believes that the Sunni-Shiite struggle for Baghdad is the central struggle, and that if it cannot be calmed down, nothing can be accomplished. His main energies have been put into reducing violence in Baghdad itself, in which he has succeeded to a limited extent (i.e. getting violence back down to summer, 2006, levels instead of astronomical January 2007 levels).
The successes in Baghdad are ambiguous, not clear-cut. The year 2006 was particularly bloody, so getting to that level is not satisfactory. The reduction in statistics on sectarian violence has not prevented hundreds of thousands of Sunni Arabs from being ethnically cleansed (mainly displaced) from Baghdad, turning it from a city that was 65 percent Shiite and 35 percent Sunni into one that is 75 percent Shiite and rising. The Sunni Arabs of al-Anbar, whether they hate "al-Qaeda" or not, say in interviews that they support the withdrawal of the Sunni Arab Iraqi Accord Front from the al-Maliki government, precisely on the grounds that al-Maliki is entangled with the Shiite militias that are displacing the Sunni Arabs from Baghdad.
Further, Gen. Petraeus has frankly admitted that whatever successes he has had in Baghdad militarily (and he has had some there) have not yet translated into solid political gains in Sunni-Shiite reconciliation. He continues to entertain hopes that they will be so translated, but all he can proffer us in this regard is exactly that, hopes.
Petraeus's perspective ignores the over-all rise in civilian deaths in 2007 compared to 2006, and pays no attention to Shiite-Shiite violence in Basra and Karbala. He also codes the Arab attack on Yazidi Kurds as an "al-Qaeda" act of violence. In fact, it was part of an ethnic struggle for control of land and oil in the Iraqi north that is just as destabilizing, potentially, as is the battle for Baghdad. He points to Iraqi security forces policing provinces such as Muthanna and Nasiriya in the Shiite south. It has to be acknowledged, however, that those provincial security forces are dominated by the Badr Corps militia of the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council, which was trained and may still be being partially funded by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. And they are in an ongoing struggle with the Mahdi Army militia, also Shiite but more Iraqi nativist.
My own expectation is that unless Iraqi politicians become far more canny and powerful during the next two years, then when the American forces withdraw, the ethnic and sectarian militias will fight the three wars (Basra, Baghdad, Kirkuk) to a conclusion. It will likely be a bloody war similar to that in Afghanistan in the 1990s. With the Americans not around, it is possible that large militia forces will fight set piece battles.
There is also a danger of the neighbors being drawn into a big proxy fight in Iraq (including the Saudis, the Iranians, the Jordanians, the Syrians and the Turks).
Neither outcome is inevitable. If al-Maliki learns how to cultivate the Sunni Arabs as well as Petraeus has been (and if the Sunni Arabs will accept it from al-Maliki, which is not assured), then he might be able to draw them into his orbit just as King Feisal did in the 1920s. Al-Maliki's government is said to have $10 bn. in oil revenue that it refuses to spend; that could buy some loyalty.
Likewise, the US, the Europeans and the Arab League could work hard diplomatically to avoid a proxy war among the neighbors, and it might be avoided. I am heartened that King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia and President Mahmud Ahmadinejad of Iran seem intent on continuing to dialogue, and to avoid tensions reaching a fever picth between the two countries. If the US had any sense, it would be warmly encouraging this diplomacy, not trying to get the Arabs and Israelis to gang up on Iran.
But in all likelihood, when the Democratic president pulls US troops out in summer of 2009, all hell is going to break loose. The consequences may include even higher petroleum prices than we have seen recently, which at some point could bring back stagflation or very high rates of inflation.
In other words, the Democratic president risks being Fordized when s/he withdraws from Iraq, by the aftermath. A one-term president associated with humiliation abroad and high inflation at home? Maybe I should say, Carterized. The Republican Party could come back strong in 2012 and then dominate politics for decades, if that happened.
It is all so unfair, of course, since Bush started and prosecuted this disaster in Iraq, and Bush is refusing to accept responsibility for the failure, pushing it off onto his successor.
But life is unfair.
So what can the Dems do to avoid being made the fall guy this way?
They could try to legislate stronger US diplomacy aiming at ensuring peace between Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shiite Iran even if there is sectarian violence on a greater scale in Iraq. They could resist the temptation to demonize Iran or to push it onto a war footing with threats or even bombings.
As for Iraq itself, the best hope for the Dems may be that Gen. Petraeus actually succeeds, over the next year, in significantly reducing ethnic tensions. It is a slim reed to hold onto, as they recognize.
But from the moment Bush went into Iraq, Americans were screwed. And that includes the Democratic Party, which is being set up to take the fall.
I'm a severe skeptic on the likelihood of anything that looks like success in Iraq. But I don't think career public servants such as Ryan Crocker and David Petraeus are acting as partisan Republicans in their Iraq efforts. I think they both are sincere, experienced men attempting to retrieve what they can for America from Bush's catastrophe. They may as well try, since the Democrats can't over-rule Bush and get the troops out, anyway. If the troops are there, they may as well at least be deployed intelligently, which is what Gen. Petraeus is doing. I wish them well in their Herculean labors. Because if they fail, I have a sinking feeling that we are all going down with them, including the next Democratic president. And their success is a long shot.
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The 'big drawdown' is Rumsfeld's principle. It is has failed and had to be abandoned. You either do the job properly, half a million soldiers at least, or get out.
It is undoubtedly attractive to the American public, but that is not the point. You want a brand-new luxury car for few hundred bucks saying that is all what you are prepared to pay. This is not how the world works.
The fewer the soldiers the harder it gets, so how can a drawdown be a solution? The basic idea of the occupation without calling it an occupation is stupid. Lowring visibility and footprint amount to the same thing: trying to occupy people without them noticing. How stupid is that?
The Democrats have one other option, cut the funding. They can veto any additional funding (or at least use it for some real leverage). They would be labeled unpatriotic cut and runners, who don't support the troups. And it might cost them the next election but it might save their party.
The Republican Party in general and Democrat Centrists, as well, have cultivated a culture of NOT taking responsibility. They have become a government of smoke and mirrors. It is why the poll numbers for Congress are so low. The public has an inkling that a grand mess has ensued, but see that few in Washington want to fix it or claim any responsibility for it. The Blame Game is being played 24/7. Blame the Iraqis. Blame Osama Bin Laden. Blame Iran. Blame the "Insurgents." The Republicans will blame the Democrats and vice versa. This will increase in intensity as November 2008 approaches.In the meantime, Iraq will continue on a course of disintegration, more Iraqis and more American Servicemen and women will die, and the budget deficit will grow and grow. What this country is going to look like by January 2009 is anybody's guess. It is much too long a time to be in the hands of people who refuse to be accountable and who have made denying responsibility a cottage industry. John Dean, former Nixon Counsel,has written a book about how our government is broken. He frequently appears on Keith Olbermann's Countdown. Mr. Dean is correct. Our government IS broken. We have no checks and balances. The King's horses and the King's men are not going to put Humpty Dumpty together again. We, The People, are the last resort. I pray that the majority will rise to the challenge.
Dear Professor Cole
I started to pick up on the word federalism yesterday.
Surely to Christ they arent going to try and rewrite the constitution from the bottom up. That will take for ever.
I kept seeing the picture of Stalingrad sucking in troops as the trap was being prepared.
Open questions remaining are:
1 Kurdistan and the guerilla war being waged there against Turkey and Iran.
2 The Kirkuk referendum.
3 Basra
Still I am happy to see a major part of the US forces tied down in Iraq, they can't go and attack
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Joe Lieberman is NOT a Democrat.
He is an independent in name and a Republican in vote.
What are the chances that the Iraqis will not request an extension of the UN Security Council occupation mandate?
sheesh. here i was trying to cut way back on the heavy alcohol imbibing and massive illegal narcotic intake and then i read this post and all of my synapses and neurotransmitters start misfiring and i had to grab the bottle and crackpipe one more time.
we. are. doomed.
"When" the new Democratic Prez pulls out the troops? Unless Kucinich gets elected, the word is "if" the troops get withdrawn.
The Public is squarely against this war. The current leadership in the House achieved it's status in 2006 precisely because of this fact. The Speaker controls the agenda on the floor of the House and not one dime can be appropriated to this madness without her consent. I am perfectly happy to condemn the party to face the firing squad of republican charges of abandoning the troops: If the democratic party cannot manage the perception issue, they sure as hell cannot govern. And my answer to the President and any and all of his supporters would be simple: Begin redeployment, now, with the money in the pipeline, Mr. President, or we will move to impeach you for abandoning the army in Iraq. And then, by the gods, do it.
It is true that the Democrats cannot get 60 votes in the Senate for withdrawal of US trooops. However, it is important that 76 members of the House have pledged not to support funding for the war except to bring the troops home. Whether this bloc can grow and/or hold firm is a big question. But working to make this happen is wiser counsel than just waiting for 2009.
Frank Brodhead, New York
In 2012, the GOP might well win, arguing that the Democratic incumbent fouled or ruined the gallant "course" left by Bush.
A military stalemate in Korea certainly made it harder for Stevenson to run against Eisenhower in 1952. One might think that the spring 1975 collapse of Saigon hurt Ford and helped Carter. But Ford also alienated core Republicans because he supported detente and nuclear reductions talk at the same time that the USSR seemed to be building up its navy and introducing multiple warheads to its missiles. Bumbling Ford claimed in a TV debate that Poland was not under Soviet domination.
However, these days Republican writers have revised the story. A Melvin Laird can claim that we were winning in Vietnam until the Democratic Congress refused to provide sufficient funding to the ARVN. No one remembers that the US drawdown was very gradual.
Memory is selective and malleable. By 2012, people may remember only the Bush who conquered Baghdad and threw out the Taliban from Kabul. Democrats will be too complicit in the start and conduct of the war to point the finger anymore.
So how about if a Republican wins in 2008?
I think this analysis of the Democrats' likely fate is very persuasive. But Democrats have an option that requires only a majority vote to win—defunding the war. Bush has to ask Congress for the money he needs for the war. If the Democrats want to refuse, they have the numbers to simply turn down the request. So far, though, they have continually obliged. So their fate is in their hands, as is ours.
Looking at this fact about Democratic complacency suggests another, which is that the Democratic president will not want to be Ford or Carterized, and so will not withdraw. I especially have trouble imagining Clinton withdrawing. She will want to protect herself politically before anything else.
Brilliant post.
Prof. Cole,
Any thoughts about the alleged attempt at a partition strategy?:
The U.S. media never acknowledged the 180 degree turn from national government support to partitioning. Bush essentially faked them with his purported escalation (surge) reason of giving space for national consolidation. While everybody watched Maliki, the military was building private Sunni armies and the Kurds started to sell off their oil to U.S. companies to gain economic independence.
There is a simple truth here that everyone is overlooking. You cannot use violence to make peace.
Peace will only be achieved when the people of Iraq have achieved an acceptable balance and order in their own society in their own way. No system of order imposed on them from outside will ever be acceptable.
The arguments being made for the American army staying in Iraq are the same ones the British used for staying in India. In the end they had to walk away and leave the people of India to settle their own problems. Unfortunately their problems were made worse by the stupid and ruthless methods the British had used in trying to maintain their hold on the country.
Congress can still use the power of the purse. It does NOT have to pass a bill to continue funding the war. When Bush asks for additional $50 billions. just don't pass it. The generals will not be irresponsible. They will simply manage Iraqi war with less money. Some divisions will have to go home.
President Ford experienced the blow-back for the loss of South Vietnam because the American public were assured that all had been resolved peacefully by the artful diplomacy of Henry Kissinger. People were shocked when the North Vietnamese invaded the South, since they had been sold the idea that all had been peacefully resolved.
However, the situation in Iraq is very different. There is extreme pessimism in America that anything positive will come out of the years of conflict that we have been in engaged in. Over 51% of those polled by CNN didn't even believe Patreus's report to congress, and it will not get much better in a year or two - probably only worse. When the next president pulls American troops out of Iraq, there will be a great sigh of relief, and no illusions that Iraq will be peaceful or settle its differences any time soon.
If the next administration is Democratic, as well as the congress and senate, then they should investigate and prosecute the various individuals who used the war to their personal and monetary advantage. Since Bush and his gang spent a lot of time blaming Clinton for 9/11, then the next administration can excoriate the Bushies for creating Iraq. It could get the next president re-elected if he/she can hold the previous administration responsible, and the American public will want to blame someone for the mess anyway.
"because they cannot overcome the need for a consensus of 60 senators in the Senate."
Not true Juan, I love your work but you must be accurate on this point.
The Democrats need only 41 senators to stop funding this insanity - 41 not 60.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks
capt
Thoughtful, insightful and realistic. Most unusual in the rancorous debate. Thanks.
Lee
Cape Cod
There is over a year before the next election, and it's clear that no more 'progress' will be made in that time. The public lost its belief in the occupaton three years ago, and 60% thought that Petraeus' report would be a sham before he even gave it.
I believe that if the Democrats pull out (leaving training and rapid-response forces) when they take over in 1-09, the public will only be relieved.
Iraq is indelibly burned into the minds of the American public as Bush's war. Sure, Bush's base will howl like mad when we leave, but nobody takes them seriously now, and they will take them even less seriously a year from now. For over a year now, they have essentially accused 60% of the country of treason, and that is not a winning strategy.
Much of the marginal support for the occupation, beyond Bush's base, is simply a reluctance to criticise while we have troops in harm's way. Take that away by withdrawing, and you have a razor-sharp line between Bush's base and everyone else.
If the Democrats want MY attention, no less respect (unlikely), the could make a good start at it by geting SWORN testimony from these disingenuous ...umn... 'public servants'.
The testimony delivered yesterday was unsworn garbage, and former CIA analyst Ray McGovern was ejected from the room during a break to fix a microphone for noting that Petraeus had not been sworn in.
When is everyone just going to admit it... They NEED to be lied to, because the truth would disturb them.
For a start, we've collectively killed well over 1 million people (Lancet Methodology) in a country that previous to our invasion had DONE NOTHING to us.
The partitioning of Iraq a la Algeria will do nothing except allow us to loot the rest of their resources.
That IS the subrosa goal to this invasion... isn't it?
Ford's problem, such as it was, was that he claimed at the time that the failure to support South Vietnam would be a massive catastrophe. It was Congress (mainly Democrats, but many Republicans also) that refused Ford the funding to try and prevent the inevitable. It made Ford look impotent, but then it also lent Ford's backing to the notion that we could have held back the dam as it burst.
A Democratic president would have no such problem. A majority of the American people have already concluded that Iraq was a fools errand. All the Democratic president would need to do is use the bully pulpit to put forth the case that remaining is useless. The president would have all the facts and a good chunk of the bureaucracy to back up that conclusion. The only question is, would any of the Democratic candidates be inclined and willing to spend the necessary political capital to see it through?
Further, you are severely misguided in characterizing Crocker and Petraeus simply as "sincere, experienced men attempting to retrieve what they can for America from Bush's catastrophe." For whatever their personal qualities, they are severely constrained in what they say or do by this president and his political apparatchiks. These two would lose their jobs if they deviate substantially from the party line. Their function is to produce the appearance of success in Iraq (but not too much success, lest there be calls to declare victory and go home) with as few additional casualties as possible. The dog-and-pony show isn't a diversion for them, it's their raison d'etre. How can they possibly succeed?
I hope that we withdraw from Iraq and the price of oil goes up substantially. The next Democratic president and congress needs to withrdaw the troops and start to invest heavily in alternative energies. We need an FDR like program on this - asap. We have impending tragedies approaching us that we need to focus on -- Global Warming and Peak Oil. We need to localize our government away from globalization and authoritarianism. While skyrocketing oil prices might be very hard on our economy, I think that we will be all right if our government stops spending 60% of our money on the military and starts spending that to transition to the alternative energy economy.
We have been conditioned to accept the world in a certain framework. This could be a catalyst to recreate our nation and the world into a brighter, cleaner, sustainable future.
Dr. Cole's predictions of the consequences of the Iraq war for Democrats are premised on Ford being beaten by Carter because he lost Vietnam. If this is wrong, then the predictions of what happens to Democrats don’t follow.
I am skeptical about this analysis. Dr. Cole may underestimate the effects Watergate and Ford's own cluelessness (“There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe”) had on his defeat in 1976. Is there any analytical consensus on the reasons for Carter's 1976 win and 1980 defeat?
It seems to me that the Iranian hostage situation, stagflation and the general media influenced perception of Carter's "weakness" had more to do with his electoral defeat than Vietnam.
Can aggressive regional diplomacy beginning as soon as possible avoid catastrophic consequences when the US finally pulls out? Also, it will take Republican and media contortions worthy of the best gymnasts to pin a "loss" in Iraq on the Democrats. This war was lost as soon as President dinkledorf and vice president, Face of Evil, launched it. It is their war and their loss.
Juan: Although I usually find you very persuasive, I am puzzled by your analysis here.
1) How can you go from one post favorably quoting McClatchy on how there has NOT been an improvement in security to another in which you argue that Petraeus, who just argued that we are achieving significant improvements in security, is basically being honest and not acting as a partisan Republican when he misleads us?
2) How can you argue that the Democrast can do nothing about the war when they hold the power of the purse and the filibuster? The Republican minority in this congress have repeatedly killed legislation they didn't like by threatening to filibuster. Surely the Democratic majority could do the same?
Could 2010 look for Iraq like 1975 looked in Vietnam? Yes. I just do not see evidence that either the new Iraqi political class or the Iraqi security forces are likely to have the maturity to avoid a conflagration when the US military withdraws.
What followed US withdrawal from Vietnam in 1975 wasn't a conflagration but the swift consolidation of power by a united NLF-DRV force which had been a united adversary during US involvement. (The "bloodbath" scenario unfolded in Cambodia but not Vietnam.) The "we can't leave" argument about Iraq rests on the absence of a unified opposition force that could become a unified government if the US withdrew. I happen to think we should withdraw anyway; "You broke it, you own it" isn't a foreign policy. We broke it, we broke it, and we should leave and express profound regret and spend a few decades shedding the habits of imperial arrogance. But that won't happen.
Juan, i fear i share your assessment. a democratic president will find himself in a lose/lose situation:
his voters want him to leave Iraq, which will lead to fast collapse. i think your scenario is the most likely outcome.
there is only a single way out of this misery:
Bush and Co must NOT be allowed to leave office in a normal way!
the ONLY way forward, is pressing a STRONG impeachement case, at least against Cheney all through 2008. it should focus on misleading statements about the war.
Cheney needs to be, at least, at the brink of being pushed out of office, because of the iraq war, at the end of 2008.
the way forward is to be aggressive. the democrats failed to be aggressive on Petraeus though, which dealt a HUGE blow to their agenda.
honest questions were not a good way to handle him. instead there should have been a concerted, respectful but MASSIVE attack on his statements.
what he was going to say, was completely predictable one month ago.
http://sod-iraq.blogspot.com/2007/08/september-report-my-predictions.html
they should have been prepared, providing the OBVIOUS counter points, via short presentation of their own, being based on facts and data.
pushing Petraeus into a DEFENSIVE position, would have been the goal. letting his points sink in undisputed, was a major fault.
and the points to make, were completely obvious as well.
2006 level of violence is not good. oil production. electricity production. refugees. singular attacks during the surge: samarra again, bridges, parliament attacks. car bombs down due to vehicle bans, ...
Yes, life can be unfair. Along with pulling troops out in 2009, I suggest that the top 3 dozen Bush regime officials that started the war be put on trial for war crimes. Might as well try to force some consequences back on to Bush and the Neocons.
Mr Cole,
While it is true that they need 60 votes to overcome a veto, that does not mean that they need to submit a funding bill without withdrawal attached. They are the majority party, they control the adgenda. If Bush vetoes a spending bill with withdrawal attached, they have no obligation to send him another, they could keep sending the same bill or nothing at all and blame Bush for defunding the war by veto.
Good post, as usual.
I don't get it - "he might be able to draw them [sunnis] into his orbit just as King Feisal did in the 1920s". I would have thought that the problem for Feisal would have been reconciling or somehow controlling the shiites.
Dr. Cole has outdone himself today with an insightful analysis of the military and political realities we confront. Money quote: "From the moment Bush went into Iraq, Americans were screwed."
Here's what we need: Americans of every party and ideology need to recognize that we are in a real crisis here. This is not just some kind of political playing field where two rival factions try to figure out how to turn the situation to their advantage. The welfare of the nation and the world are in the balance here. Our actions have real consequences for real people. We need to stop seeing Iraq as a chessboard for our domestic political game. We need to treat it as a real world crisis that will lurch to catastrophe if things don't change. As of today, both parties seem to be trying to affect the timing of the catastrophe to enable them to fix the blame on the other side--instead of workign together to avoid or at least mitigate the catastrophe.
As others have pointed out, the Democrats do have the power to end the war. They can cut the funding by refusing to bring a funding bill to the floor.
Of course, they won't do that because they are not serious about challenging the war. They are imperialists every bit as much as the Republicans. The only thing that can stop this war is popular protest.
What Ambassador Crocker has said is there is a ethno-religious competition for power and resources in Iraq, and what the State Dept. wants to see is the US help turning that into a political process. This involves extensive training assistance to both the Iraqi military and police and in return US business interests demand a share of Iraqi's resources.
The problem is that a number of countries in the Middle East want to see a weak and destabilized Iraq, including it appears Israel. Therefore if the Democrats win the Presidency they would probably execute a near total withdrawal from Iraq, irregardless of the consequences.
Who gets the tanks and heavy artillery, and when?
That seems to be a basic question that no-one's asking. Until "Iraq" (see above) gets those, it's not a "real" country. (Unless, God willing, they go the route that Costa Rica took in 1948.)
Let the re-thugs win in 2008 and have Iraq be a Republican problem, as opposed to a Bush problem...I say the democrats should focus on building their Senate and House numbers...Let Rudy or Mitt or Grandpa Fred take the fall for Iraq...then, let Dems take over in 2012 for the next 100 years....That's my recommendation, as hard as it is to make...
I think you're mistaken that the Petraeus hearings are a loss for Bush. The GOP has been shored up; there will be no defections on the Iraq issue. In that regard, it was a victory. The Beltway and MSM verdict is that the surge was at least a partial success. That also is a victory.
Both of these victorys may turn out to be Pyhrric if the situation in Iraq continues to degrade; Bush is gambling that there will be no disasters in Iraq before the election.
Wow, happy 9/11 to you to Prof. Cole. Maybe it's time to try Prozac.
Two encouraging signs -- forgive me for sounding like Crocker -- have surfaced in the last two days suggesting some sort of resolution in Iraq is possible.
First, according to the BBC poll, Iraqis are demonstrating a high level of confidence in the national security forces, both the army and police, much higher than their level of confidence in the US military and in the militias. Though they are not so positive regarding the central government, these numbers do suggest that the security forces are increasingly seen a legitimate, which bodes well for the possibility of a draw down in the near term of US forces. Indeed, if the institutional incorporation of reconciled insurgents is effected, then there will be greater support in Washington for, at the very least, redeployment. (Of course, it's doubtful that many insurgents or militiamen participated in the survey.)
The second development came from Petraeus' testimony yesterday. He stated that a similar project of reconciliation aimed at the Mahdi Army will be necessary to establish security. He also expressed an implicit degree of confidence that Sadr's recent call for a ceasefire is a positive step in this direction.
However, such reconciliation will require the involvement of SIIC, as well as hinging on the end of US operations against the JAM. In order for such a process to be realized, there will need to be some measure of cooperation between the US and Iran. Neither of these actors can influence factional reconciliation without the other's concerted assistance. And it seems unlikely that such a thing will transpire given the influence of Cheney on policy in Iraq.
Then again, Bush is malleable. If enough Congressional Republicans and the State Deptartment can first marginalize Cheney and then persuade the President to order some sort of diplomatic effort toward garnering Iran's cooperation, and if pragmatist in Iran can so persuade the Council of Guardians to make a reciprocal effort, then we may actually see some resolution to the current imbroglio.
This can only work if Bush is somehow convinced that doing so will salvage his legacy, as seems to be his only concern these days.
Wow, you lost me with that post. I see the general twisting facts in the same way Bush and Co did to get us into this war. The general is far too political and far too entrenched with the NeoCons. He is either blinded by ideology or part of the deception.
What is much more likely is he has lived up to his reputation as a yes-man with political ambitions in 2012.
Have you been sipping on the kool-aid?
Highly recommended documentary from today's democracynow:
EXCLUSIVE Report From Iraq: U.S. Fueling Sectarian Civil War in Anbar by Funding Former Insurgents to Fight Al Qaeda
When Gen. David Petraeus spoke of success stories in Iraq, he largely focused on the situation in Anbar province where former Sunni insurgents are now fighting Al Qaeda alongside U.S. troops. In a U.S. broadcast exclusive, we air a report from Anbar by independent filmmaker Rick Rowley that exposes how the U.S. is fueling sectarian civil war in Iraq by funding the former Sunni insurgents. [includes rush transcript]
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/11/1424208
Juan,
Honestly...
I am ABSOLUTELY dismayed at your advice. We can and must pull the plug on this mess. US money is funding the entire debacle i.e. Iraqi kleptocracy. Let them finish THEIR partitioning on THEIR own dime and with THEIR own blood.
Think about all the ways US money perpetuates this war!
The oil law will NEVER be passed.
The only reasons we are there is to satisfy Saudi Arabia's fear and Bush's 'honor'.
Damn the careerists, Petraus and Crocker.
'...So are they all, all honorable men..'
We Democrats would do well to exact the humility and mea culpa's from ourselves, to make our ammends for the Iraq fiasco.
A majority of our senators and reps voted to give Team W the war buggy keys and the credit card, without legal reservations.
It took bipartisan Senate leadership to enact reporting legislation, requiring that CIA and DoD report to Congress directly. That is the model to build on.
It will take a bipartisan effort to enact policy changes, to get out of combat next year, and continue the un-surge momentum by pulling 5-10,000 troops a month out in late 2008. There simply are not road and sea port facilities to do it faster. Nor would it be responsible to ignore the destabilizing consequences of careless retreat.
We need time for a political deal in Iraq, so we are not shooting our way out, like the Russians leaving Kabul, or Saigon 1975. We time need to assure Kuwait, Turkey, Arabia, Lebanon, Europe, Asia that we have a political agreement in the USA that will hold thru the next admin.
Warner, Hagel, Lugar etc seem willing to force policy changes, but will not simply hand control of the reform faction over to Reid's legislation.
The Senate cannot control partition or violence in Iraq, but it does have primary legislative responsibility for US foreign policy under our Constitution.
Whether we like it or not, the US admin has obligations to the country, our troops, and to the Iraqi people, to try and make the best of a mess. Only a bipartisan effor in the US Senate offers the promise of a way forward.
Let's start talking about this like adults who have some understanding of our own government, of military and geopolitical reality. We are an oil-fired economic superpower, not Isreali tacticians abandoning irrelavant allies in S. Lebanon.
I support defunding the war as a way to send the strongest possible message to the American people that Democrats are doing their best to end the thing and possibly avoid the fate Juan lays out.
However ...
Voting against the supplementals and even putting a rider into the approps bill won't necessarily bring the troops home. The Defense budget is gargantuan and fluid. Bush can easily shift things around to "heroically" keep the cause going until he leaves office. Moreover, withdrawal itself costs money, BIG money. If you have to write language that defunds operations but does fund withdrawal, you're sunk, because that's pro-active legislation (has to be passed rather than rejected) and thus has to be voted on in the Senate and requires 60 votes.
There is no way out. But still, I think Juan is being too pessimistic. A lot depends, I think, on how the Dem nominee for President in 08 and Dem nominees in general in 10 and 12 speak about Iraq. You don't have to simply accept the talking points the Repubs will offer. You CAN fight them.
I agree with this to a certain extent, with one caveat: the MO of this administration when under pressure. That is, to scramble like hell to get out of a jam and once successfull at that, completely lapsing into lazy nothingness until they get screwed again. They've down this over and over, and I think it's a real possibility that after all the scrambling to "save" the surge strategy (assuming they have been successful) they'll sit back on their sorry butts once again and Iraq could descend into the chaos predicted even before the next administration, on Bush's watch.
If this is the case, look for Dems and even some Repubs to suddenly discover a set of cajones (right before the 2008 election, of course) and do something.
After listening to Petraeus this morning at the Pentagon conflate the war in Iraq with 9/11, I would have to call him a partisan Republican - or at least a member of the Bush cult.
Prof. Cole: in re "when the Democratic president pulls US troops out in summer of 2009"
Like "geoduck," I'm confused as to why you phrased this in such declarative terms.
if IRAN was the unintentional regional beneficiary of the invasion and subsequent occupation of IRAQ, then CHINA is the all -too- easily ignored global winner of the 9/11 American Fin de siècle disaster trifecta.
the conceit implict in almost all Western writings about, "What (we should make happen) next?" in the Middle East ~ seen even here on Informed Comment ~ is that America will continue to have the dominant say in the matter of Mesopotamia: "Defeat," dear Professor, has already happened; it's history ~ that's why this story is called, Apocalypse Now.
it is convenient for General Petraeus to call for troop reductions "starting around 1-QTR 2008," as that is when the American Military finds itself entirely expended, yes? Other than Aerial bombardment and Naval containment, there is nothing more that the now busted American military can muster. Of course, they could restart the draft, or recast/restock the Army as an illegal alien amnesty programme (but either of those choices would be hideous).
That other great force, the American consumer, has spent itself too; s/he is history. As the corporate cronies robbed their own treasury, so too did the consumer rob the last refuge of his treasure, his home equity. To their credit now, cherchez la Chine.
The 21st century consumer -cum- Big Spender is CHINA: now it is we Americans who wear the drab, mass-produced uniforms of third-world sweatshop cotton, and cheap rubber shoes ~ as we contemplate the Sophie's Choice of growing corn: for Fuel or Food?
'This is The End' is not something waiting to happen to America, somewhere around the next election cycle corner ~ it's history writ: que sera : what will be, will be : the future's not ours, it's theirs.
Prof. Cole, I fear you are being a little too generous in saying that Petreaus and Crocker are not acting as partisian Republicans. In addition to Petreas' strange 2004 interview to help Bush, the two took time out of their busy schedule last night for exactly one news intereview - on Faux News with Brit (fair and balanced) Hume. Their report is not directed to winning overthe independents and Dems who are irretrievably lost , but rather to shoring up the Republican base to allow them to kick the can down the road to 2009 and someone elses watch.
Perhaps the best thing for Democrats in 08 is to lose and lose badly. Let the Republicans enjoy the fruits of their labors, for the sooner they win their apocalypse, the sooner rebuilding from the ashes can begin. Of course it won't be Democrats doing the rebuilding. To weak, meek and mild, for what the Republican Revolution has started is winner take all war to the knife and for that it is inevitable upon those unwilling to bow in subservience to Empire, be hunted, enslaved, imprisoned if not killed in the streets. Few of those be Democrats however, for they will be far to busy in their conversions whilst not otherwise found practicing the finer arts of fellatio upon their new masters.
What little hope the people may hold from the scribblings found here and elsewhere, such serves little purpose beyond the historical. With the second election of Bush, America was lost and there will be no restoration. This is and was the will of Republicans and the gullibility of the American people. Let the realization of this be forever cemented in the minds of those who take to the wheel of crushing oppression on behalf of the Party and henceforth the Fatherland every bit as much as realization that impudent Democrats stood by the whole time and did nothing of consequence.
Prof.Cole,
I believe you are right. What matters to Pres. Bush is:
1. Republican politics
2. Saving face and winning:
- like stories tell: he parti
cipated and prolonged games
and changed rules along the
lines until his team won
3. Family's (dynasty) ambitions:
- it is Jeb B's turn to be pre
sident no later than 2012
and so the game will be
played. Like W Jeb will
be selected by Big Money
rather than elected by
voters.
Although voters still
count, they are the head
and Big Money is the neck
that turns the head.
"They would be labeled unpatriotic cut and runners, who don't support the troups."
The Democrats have been and will be labeled both - no matter what course they take.
It's time to see what - if anything - they truly stand for.
The poster who said if they can't manage the perception about them, they darn sure can't govern is right on.
This is and been so far beyond a tragedy for quite some time. I keep thinking the situation and general discourse can’t get worse. Maybe it’s the same or maybe everyone is so overwhelmed by the continuing madness that they will grab at anything to maintain some sense of self-respect.
Americans are responsible for the actions and inaction of their elected representatives. Folks keep talking like this is a spectator sport and not a participatory democracy, which is supposed to work to overcome partisan conflicts and not simply chose a winner and critique the way the contest is conducted.
As I recall, the Geneva Convention more than suggests what an occupier should do if they can’t maintain civil order in the occupied country: They are supposed to find someone who can and go home. They are not supposed to stay bomb the occuppied until everyone behaves nicely. Perhaps that is not possible but it remains a mystery why anyone keeps thinking that we can clean up the mess and are not simply a big part of it.
I am queasy about lauding the efforts of folks like Petreaus and Crocker. Read or revisit Eichmann in Jerusalem or the Origins of Totalitarianism by Arendt. People and whole nations can do horrible things and go to their graves thinking they have done the right thing. McNamara thought he was doing the right thing but came to regret it. John Dean thought he was working for the good guys but came to regret it. The lord only knows what Colin Powell was thinking and after the fact regrets and attempts like Tenet’s to somehow deny any real responsibility leave me cold. Still, it is really the people of America that make this all possible. They can blame their leaders all they want but they are providing the troops, the supplies, and the authorization. Congress would turn on a dime if they thought they did not have sufficient support to do what they are doing now. Regrets do not bring people back to life or restore destroyed human habitats. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and traveled by those that are sincerely wrong.
Americans have completely lost the script. They no longer have no idea of what a war crime or a crime against humanity is. Maybe they never did. It is a common practice for those directly involved in these acts to make very strong attempts to provide legal justification for these sorts of acts unless the state is an outright dictatorship with no established rule of law and democratically elected legislature. Somehow, I suppose they believe a good layer of paper will suffice to hide or justify the crimes and we can all feel like everything was done by the book or was merely an arguable circumvention of the law.
I have not heard any political leader suggest that a national strike or work slow down might be appropriate action and get the attention of the political leaders. Congress is supposed to uphold the constitution and laws and that means enforce them. This is not an optional part of the job description. Perhaps they might fail in such an effort but the possibility of failure is not a reason to avoid the duty. The fire department does not save every building that catches on fire. Our congressional representative can only think they do not have to exercise this responsibility if we let them think that. Apparently, despite opposition to this war and plenty of evidence of outright fraud and deception, we just don’t think it is all that important. When do the generals and diplomats involved become responsible as citizens? They are big boys and girls who are not naïve about their degree of participation and know that “I’m just making the best of a bad job,” is not an adequate justification if the task at hand is questionable. They are not victims.
We have no tradition like the French or Italians of firmly letting our institutional leadership that they are way off base and need to refocus their attention. We are against this war in words only. Aside from losing partisan advantage, there seems to be no consequence to failing to act decisively to drastically change the course of our involvement in this war by engaging the international community and at least ceasing to be a big part of the problem. We won’t be the first state that screwed up and left a mess for others to clean up. What makes us think that we really have a constructive role to play? Are air strikes in civilian areas an effective approach? Is massive dislocation of a population a great strategic objective and sign of even modest success?
It is the Iraqis who have been screwed and we, the people, are responsible for it. The degree of culpability may vary but it is our military that invaded and occupied Iraq. Are we supposed to feel sorry for us? A first step would be to admit the error. That is not close to happening. Our institutions are not someone else’s institutions. We keep them working. They are not populated by aliens from Mars. If we are feeling powerless, it is because we have given up what power we have.
Prof. Cole points out the hard truth about politics, our president and his war “ It is all so unfair, of course, since Bush started and prosecuted this disaster in Iraq, and Bush is refusing to accept responsibility for the failure, pushing it off onto his successor.
But life is unfair.”
I honestly don’t know how Mr. Bush can look himself in the mirror on any given morning?
The United States would have been better off if the influence of Cheney, Rove and Rumsfeld were distanced from Bush’s administration when Rep. Murtha called for a pullback /redeployment.
Murtha’s critics did everything to scorch his reputation; I bet some of them are having second thoughts unless they are as consumed with the pro-war madness that intoxicates Pres. Bush. I figure, in his post-presidency day, on the days he finds himself alone thinking, he won’t be thinking politics when he comes to the realization of the damage he has done, he will return to his old habits and probably drink himself into Kingdom Come. The problem with Bush is that he never understood the definiton of fair, or equal, or compassion; how he became president reflects the true grit character of a good ole boy whose upbringing was filled with contempt for the human condition.
Ray L Hunt, Managing Director of Hunt Oil Company has just signed the first oil deal with KRG, since the Kurdish Regional Government passed their new oil laws, independently from the Iraqi Government.
Ray L Hunt was appointed by George W Bush to the Foreign Intelligence Advisary Board in 2001.
Is this a message for the Iraqi Government that they too must open up their oil fields for exploration by foreign oil companies or is it a signal that the US favours federalism for Kurdistan?
Please find the story here:
http://hevallo.blogspot.com/2007/09/is-hunt-oil-deal-political-threat-for.html
This is first and foremost a tragedy for the Iraqis, not about the US presidential elections. Forget Republicans and Democrats and speculation about domestic elections and politics. What do Iraqis want? What is best for them? They are the ones in a living hell. And it is their country. This is about them, not us. We should be ashamed we can so coolly discuss it, as if it were just another piece of the domestic Republican-Democratic power struggle. The only valid question is: what do most Iraqis want? Or are we all, on the left and right, such imperialists that we couldn't care less what the natives think?
Since all around the table, no one is terribly convinced that the occupation -- or the surge -- is working, perhaps we could stop aerial bombing of civilian areas. You'd want to be damn sure your methods were foolproof before doing such a drastic thing.
The last post is right on. We need to have a real change. A constututional convention, a shift from the 4 + 4 year presidency that is high in BS and low in response to reality. We need to take responsibilty and do the right thing...
Out now... Engage, not attack, Iran... and get the UN involved.
Prof. Juan... you are a true patriot. Many thanks... again and again.
AW
You got to factor in AIPAC if you want to guess the politicalor military outcome.
Juan a few months back at the start of "the [18+ month] Surge" insisted that representatives ask the simple question "What is the mission"
Sen Warner did today
Via McClatchy
Free At Last
Sen. John Warner of Virginia , one of the most influential Republicans on national security matters, asked Petraeus if his recommendations would make America safer. Petraeus initially evaded a direct answer, saying:
"Sir, I believe that this is indeed the best course of action to achieve our objectives in Iraq ."
Warner asked again.
"Sir, I don't know actually," Petraeus said. "I have not sat down and sorted out in my own mind. What I have focused on and been riveted on is how to accomplish the mission of the Multinational Force-Iraq."
Has anyone thought to ask the Iraqis what they want? Couldn't the Democrat's tie further funding to requiring a vote by the Iraqi people on the following proposition:
"Do we, the Iraqi people, ask that all foreign soldiers withdraw from our country within twelve months?"
If the Iraqis vote "Yes", we declare victory and pull out in a year.
I'm delighted to see these observations from Dr. Cole, not least because they align with my own expectations, at least as far as Democratic "strategy" is concerned.
But I'm afraid it's a moot point. Much as Bush is determined to dump Iraq in the lap of his successor, the Dems want to keep the war spinning along so that they can have an easy whipping boy to run against. And it might well work, in the short term -- maybe the Jackass can have a resounding, 1932-style sweep in '08. But by pursuing this "strategy", all they'll win is a poison chalice: There's certain to be ugliness of some form following an American withdrawal. With the White House and solid Congressional majorities*, the Democrats will have set themselves up beautifully to bear ALL the blame for the Iraq war aftermath.
-- sglover
* Majorities that will probably deliver next to nothing to average people. I expect Dems will let the insurance companies write health care "reform" laws.
Professor you set out as good a prediction of the future of Iraq as we are going to get.
But, let us be clear. The Surge is a total success for the Bush Administration. The USA will have the maximum force level in Iraq just before the November 2008 elections. Any withdrawal or "defeat" will be the burden of the next President. But, George W Bush is guarantying that the Democrats will take control of the federal government in 2009 because there is no possibility of peace breaking out in Iraq. “Occupations are resisted simply because they are occupations.”
But, Iraq won’t be the only crisis. The Artic Ice Cap is disappearing. The Housing bubble will burst the economy. China and Japan will call in its chips. Energy prices will soar.
Life is unfair but together we can hope that new FDR emerges who listens to experts and America no longer has a President who hears God’s whispers in his ear.
Checkmate by the republicans:
1) I think we are witnessing the beginning of the partiioning of Iraq. Its no accident that Al-Anbar may be looking like it can shore itself up enough to be autonomous (with a little help of the concentrated efforts of our Armed forces) it is also no accident 1/2 of the 200 bbls of oil are present in Al-Anbar. Kurdistan is also pretty stable, care to guess where the other half of the oil resides outside of Al-Anbar
2) The Dems are screwed. They will be left holding the ball starting with what looks to be a democratic victory in the presidential election, and maybe even a veto proof majority in congress to boot. Make no mistake however, even with all of this control, they will be stuck holding the ball also know as the mess that is Iraq
Find Al Saadi, find the truth.
Of all the experts on Iraq I find Juan Cole outpaces the best of the best. I would hope the Democratic leaders, (bleeders) would put some stock in what Professor Cole has to say.
My gut feelings on Iraq usually turn out to be wrong. As it was with my feeling prior to the invasion that Bush would not invade because the UN went into Iraq and Saddam was complying. Bush pledged that was his first choice. Bush lied. I turned out to be wrong from the very start. My next gut feeling depended on so much outrage from the American public from the fact that the WMD basis for the invasion turned out to be so wrong, there would be no way Bush could hold on to "running the show" on Iraq. Boy was I wrong about that too.
My gut feeling after the 2006 Dem win was that the anger finally arrived. Wrong again. Juan Cole confirms that I am doomed to be wrong about the results of Bush lies most likely for the rest of this PNAC decade.
Therefore what I've been saying is the only course of action that can salvage America is to go after Bush's lies. That is impeach him for lying to Congress through all his proxies such as Petraeus and Crocker. The WMT intel fiasco is fraught with Bush lies. Impeachment does not have to succeed if its investigations achieve only one result.
Get to the truth about Bush and his fraudulent case for invading Iraq in the first place. There was no intent to see what Hussein did with the UN to achieve disarmament peacefully. Bush told Congress that his intent was 'peaceful disarmament' but that he needed the 'theat of force' to make that happen. That is the biggest lie by any US President in history. Bush should have to explain it.
There is a player, an Iraqi, who has been "dissappeared" by the media, the government, and the entire world, who holds the goods on what peaceful disarmament was available in March of 2003. He's gone. He and His family were once outspoken when he was held in solitary confinement at the Baghdad Airport US prison.
Find Al Saadi, find the truth. Perhaps my gut feeling will prevail. What do we have to lose?
What makes you think Crocker and Petraeus are non-partisan? They gave exclusive interviews to Brit Hume of Fox News which were essentially monologues, no real Q&A whatsoever to speak of.
Also, the Dems could have de-funded the war by refusing to come up with a spending bill to send to Bush. But they didn't do that.
Juan,
After thinking about it a while, I hope that your post was designed to provide a swift kick in the butt to Dems in Congress. The time to act is now.
Keep up the great work.
John
Oh, yeah. That's what this country needs is another FDR. His economic policies ensure the Depression lasted 12 years longer than it had to. Not to mention he committed the worst crime against civil liberties of any president ever, and that includes Lincoln and Bush.
Ford was undone by his bold, morally courageous pardon of the second biggest criminal to occupy the White House. Additionally inflation contributed mightily to Ford’s having a single term. The genesis of that inflation and the same inflation (along the Iranian hostage crisis) that held Carter to one term, was found a decade earlier in Johnson’s single term. Johnson chose to fight and escalate the Vietnam War and increase domestic spending without raising taxes. In doing so he acted more like a congressman than a president. However necessary and laudable was the Great Society, and it was both; the future impact on the economy of the increased spending while not paying for the war was profound. Currently GWB is fighting two wars without paying for them and cutting taxes, while expanding the federal budget and deficient to record levels. (How they get away with pretending to be the party of small, fiscally responsible government is riddle that would defy PT Barnum.) Unlike with Johnson’s Great Society, GWB’s tax cuts here offer no benefit to the existing or an emerging middle class. We should ignore the man behind the curtain who thinks he’s cutting interest rates; instead when the deficits come home to roost we should prepare for a decade or more of inflation that make a Ford or Carter economic record look good.
As an aside, we should place better than even money there will be a republican president in 2009. Democrats continually show they are not engaged with the middle of the country, that they can’t count electoral votes, and that they are more interested in winning a near meaningless primary than the presidency. Flatly said, if the democrats nominate an east coast liberal, they lose. Doubt it? Retrace the road to their misplaced euphoria in 2004. They are doing it again.
I'm afraid I don't agree with your political analysis. Ford wasn't undone by Vietnam - Watergate & his pardon of Nixon were far more significant to his narrow defeat to Carter than any lingering effects from Vietnam. In fact, Democrats, not Republicans, were tarred with "losing" Vietnam. Any Democrat would be a fool to worry about "losing" Iraq; the key would be to extricate the country as quickly as possible, so that voters would tend to blame Bush & forget about the whole mess by 2012. Dems have been losing this debate because they're scarred of being blamed for losing the War, but it's clear that this War, for better (in '02 & '04) or worse (in '06 & thereafter), is the GOP's forever.
Cole is right-the Democrats in Congress can't realistically stop the war. It is possible to simply not fund it by not bringing a funding bill to the table, true, but that's not going to happen for the following reasons:
1. Much of the Iraq war funding is in the standard department of defense funding bill. The Democrats won't not fund the Department of Defense. And if they try to pass a bill for that that doesn't have the Iraq funding, it will be filibustered and vetoed.
2. So, you are already funding the war to begin with. You might as well the supplemental as well, to make sure the troops get everything they need, like the new MRAPs which replace the Humvees in many situations.
3. Even if they never passed a Department of Defense budget, the laws regarding government shut downs allow "critical" and "national security" functions to continue without a funding bill (think back to the government shutdown in the 1990's-the FBI still went to work, right?). Of course, Bush would classify the Iraq war as such.
4. Any attempt to change the laws for government shut downs would be filibustered and vetoed.
5. Even if none of the above is accurate, the lack of a funding bill doesn't order the troops home (and any law Congress passed to do explicitly so would be filibustered and vetoed). Only Bush could do so-and he certainly wouldn't do so. All the lack of a funding bill would do is make the troops not get paid or get food or ammo (but that wouldn't happen, of course, because of #1-4).
The war in Iraq will continue until sometime after a Democratic president is elected.
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