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Juan Cole is President of the Global Americana Institute

Monday, December 01, 2008

Indian Muslims Refuse to Bury Militants

The Muslim community in Mumbai says it doesn't want the gunmen who attacked Mumbai to be buried in the Muslim cemetery, on the grounds that they are not Muslims.

A spokesman for the Muslim council said, ""These terrorists are a black spot on our religion, we will very sternly protest the burial of these terrorists in our cemetery . . ."

Certainly the perpetrators are criminals from the point of view of Islamic law. The Qur'an forbids murder (qatl) and the classical jurisprudence on jihad forbids the killing of innocent noncombatants, sneak attacks, or the undertaking of military action without the authorization of duly constituted Muslim authorities.

Although removing an avowed Muslim from status as a Muslim, which is called 'takfir' or faith-denial, is frowned on by the mainstream Sunni tradition, it may be legitimate in this case, given the egregious departure from Sunni law, practice and belief in which the perpetrators engaged. It is an ironic twist, since the radical vigilantes are the ones who have been declaring normal people non-Muslims for the past few decades.

In India, moreover, there is an overlapping consideration of caste. Although Muslims do not formally operate in a caste system, it inevitably shapes their social worldview. There are high (ashraf) and low (ajlaf) statuses in Indian Islam that are caste-like. One thing the Mumbai council may be saying is that by virtue of their actions the militants "lost caste."

Cemeteries in India, like everything else, are influenced by caste conceptions, so it is implicitly being alleged that the attackers are ritually impure and would defile the Muslim cemetery.

I suppose they could always be cremated and their dust spread over the ocean from which they came. That would resolve the problem of what to do with the bodies, and would mark their departure from normative Islam.

20 Comments:

At 4:13 PM, OpenID dawudwalid said...

This is an emotional reaction like the Muslims earlier this year in Philly that refused to bury a Muslim when he was killed after shooting a police officer during a bank robbery.

The vast consensus of jurists would take issue with this per the Prophet Muhammad himself prayed over criminals including the chief hypocrite of Madinah named Abdullah bin Ubay.

The funeral prayers should be offered except if the person is a "murtad", which then he/she should be buried according to their own new religious beliefs.

I don't like this reactionary stuff at all.

 
At 4:39 PM, Blogger Ajaz Haque said...

These are trying times for Hindu Muslim relations. My views on Mumbai Carnage:

http://blameislam.blogspot.com/

 
At 5:08 PM, Blogger Arun said...

Hardly the most important issue for India's Muslims. If it is reactionary, so be it. They are taking a very welcome stand.

 
At 5:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good to see Indian muslims taking the right stand. He is a terrorist first, then a muslim. I think this is the fundamental problem with extremists as they view the terrorists as muslims first.

 
At 5:53 PM, Anonymous Saifullah said...

I agree that this is an emotional reaction from Muslims and has nothing to do with the Islamic law. An act of murder, whether it involves 1 or 100, does not make a Muslim a non-Muslim. It is through the act of renouncing the faith through tongue and actions that takes a person out of Islam. Except for the murtad, even for the worst criminal, the funeral prayers are offered and his forgiveness is asked for. As you have correctly said, the Sunni tradition strongly frowns the takfiri practices.

 
At 8:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Juan,

Whether or not you might think it is appropriate to declare the Mumbai killers as takfiris your understanding of fiqh is behind the times. As of 2005 it is no longer acceptable for anyone, be they terrorist or jurist, to unilaterally declare a professing Muslim an apostate.

Article 1 of the Amman Message reads thus:

"(1) Whosoever is an adherent to one of the four Sunni schools (Madhahib) of Islamic jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i and Hanbali), the two Shi'i schools of Islamic jurisprudence (Ja`fari and Zaydi), the Ibadi school of Islamic jurisprudence and the Zahiri school of Islamic jurisprudence, is a Muslim. Declaring that person an apostate is impossible and impermissible. Verily his (or her) blood, honour, and property are inviolable. Moreover, in accordance with the Shaykh Al-Azhar's fatwa, it is neither possible nor permissible to declare whosoever subscribes to the Ash`ari creed or whoever practices real Tasawwuf (Sufism) an apostate. Likewise, it is neither possible nor permissible to declare whosoever subscribes to true Salafi thought an apostate.

Equally, it is neither possible nor permissible to declare as apostates any other group of Muslims who believes in God, Glorified and Exalted be He, and His Messenger (may peace and blessings be upon him), the pillars of faith ( Iman), and the five pillars of Islam, and does not deny any necessarily self-evident tenet of religion."

Read the whole thing here:

http://ammanmessage.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=99&Itemid=64

Declarations of apostasy, whatever their source or cause, are truly medieval in the worst sense of the word and should never be encouraged. Let's get to the real business of coexistence and how to make bad acts intolerable to consider rather than pass theological judgements.

 
At 9:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is interesting. But one has to see whether this declaration was because of faith or fear. The TV channels in India have been emphasising that may of the vioctims were muslims. This helps cool the anger towards the ummah a lot. But tell you I, the anger is sub surface and a single tinder will be enough to ignite it. Then, this time, the 1993 riots and the post godhra riot will look like house parties.
Regarding the refusal to bury, I think devbund or other seminaries must issue a fatwa that killing one innocent will result in the person becoming a murtad and he should be cremated and ashes strewn in the sea. This will have some effect on the terrorists as they assume that on death they will get 72 houris and 28 pre-puberscent boys to "play with". For that a body - especially a certain part of the body is required. Thats why many of the jihadis cover certain parts of the body with aluminium foil to avoid damage. With cremation, the body including those parts will cease to exist and they will not get their 72 +28 and even if they get, they will not be able tp "enjoy". This must be made the norm.

 
At 10:42 PM, Blogger Arun said...

What is more important for the Muslims who have posted on this thread - correct burial for criminals? Or concern for the innocents?

Or as in the memorial service I attended today it was pointed out that thousands in Pakistan turned out to protest a drawing in a newspaper, not one came out to protest the killing of innocents.

After reading the comments here I'm going to petition the Indian government that all terrorists henceforth be buried wrapped in pig-skin and with a hunk of pork in their mouth.

 
At 10:51 PM, Blogger Arun said...

Saifullah:

I thought it was part of the code of conduct of war that women, children and the aged should not be harmed. These killers killed even a six year old child. If that action is not a renunciation of Islam by action then what is?

Basically you're telling us that no matter how uncivilized a Muslim acts he remains a Muslim. And no matter how uncivilized a person a Muslim is, you are more for him than for any other human. Your religion has destroyed your humanity.

 
At 10:59 PM, Blogger Kevin said...

"declarations of apostasy...should never be encouraged"

I disagree completely. Only when Muslims are free to renounce their faith without fear of earthly retribution can Islam claim to be a religion of peace. If people embrace Islam out of belief, fine. If they embrace Islam out of fear of violence against themselves and their family then Islam deserves condemnation.

 
At 2:55 AM, Anonymous Saifullah said...

Arun:

I have discussed here what constitutes the position of the Islamic law. Under Islamic Law, a criminal is punished accord to the level and motive of his crime. So, if a person has committed murder, he will be punished accordingly. He can't be described as an apostate unless he himself renounces the religion by his tongue and his actions. Commonsense dictates that committing murder and apostasy are two different matters.

When a Muslim, who is a criminal dies, he is prayed over, people ask for his forgiveness and he is buried in a Muslim cemetery. This is a long standing tradition in Islam starting from the time of Prophet Muhammad. And what is wrong with it? Does a practice of asking for someone's forgiveness "destroys" someone's "humanity"? Or does giving a decent burial to a criminal "destroys" someone's "humanity"? Perhaps you found an interesting definition of what constitutes "humanity" which you would like to share with us?

I have never heard Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld being described as "apostate Christians" just because they were directly or indirectly responsible for atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes, what people have called them "criminals" who ought to be taken to court.

 
At 3:36 AM, Anonymous Ambika said...

Interesting turn of events, and I have to say that there hasnt been much from the media here regarding this matter. But as someone else pointed out, these are trying times and people are attempting to keep their cool as best as possible, especially since bombay is no stranger to hindu-muslim violence. i think that no such violence and communal disturbance in the last few days is a testimony to people's understanding of the situation.

I am curious about something you said.."Although removing an avowed Muslim from status as a Muslim, which is called 'takfir' or faith-denial, is frowned on by the mainstream Sunni tradition, it may be legitimate in this case, given the egregious departure from Sunni law, practice and belief in which the perpetrators engaged."

I apologise if i understand wrong, but arent you just assuming that the perpetrators are Sunni? Unless there is unrefutable evidence that they were.

 
At 9:32 AM, Anonymous Busby SEO Test said...

What is more important for the Muslims who have posted on this thread - correct burial for criminals? Or concern for the innocents?This is interesting. But one has to see whether this declaration was because of faith or fear. The TV channels in India have been emphasising that may of the vioctims were muslims. This helps cool the anger towards the ummah a lot. But tell you I, the anger is sub surface and a single tinder will be enough to ignite it. Then, this time, the 1993 riots and the post godhra riot will look like house parties.
Regarding the refusal to bury, I think devbund or other seminaries must issue a fatwa that killing one innocent will result in the person becoming a murtad and he should be cremated and ashes strewn in the sea. This will have some effect on the terrorists as they assume that on death they will get 72 houris and 28 pre-puberscent boys to "play with". For that a body - especially a certain part of the body is required. Thats why many of the jihadis cover certain parts of the body with aluminium foil to avoid damage. With cremation, the body including those parts will cease to exist and they will not get their 72 +28 and even if they get, they will not be able tp "enjoy". This must be made the norm. After reading the comments here I'm going to petition the Indian government that all terrorists henceforth be buried wrapped in pig-skin and with a hunk of pork in their mouth.

 
At 11:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will Pakistan accept their bodies ?

I don't think so.

After the Kargil conflict, Pakistan would not accept the bodies of people who died fighting for Pakistan. What kind of a polity is that ?!

 
At 2:31 PM, Blogger PRS said...

Place their bodies in a pile down by the waterfront close to where the tidal current is strong. Then pile on top of them all the combustible material debris from the devastation they created. Then let the surviving victims and victims relatives put whatever they want on top of the pile. Do not allow any filming or reporting of what they are adding to the pile. Make it illegal for anyone to publish a report of what was placed on it by the survivors and relatives. Light it on fire and let the fire rage until it is out. Push the ashes into the sea. Scrub the area as well as possible and wash away all traces. Let the surviving victims and relatives conduct whatever personal ceremony they wish at the site, again with no press coverage allowed. Let it go.

 
At 10:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with PRS and Arun and others of that ilk. It is just punishment. However, I would top off the funeral pyre with all the still living thugs and animals that took part in the killing of more than 2000 muslims in Gujarat. This includes the cops who helped prevent people from escaping and allowed men to slice open pregnant women. At the very top should sit Modi, still unrepentant. To facilitate combustion they should have dollar bills stuffed in their rear ends. As our Lord Jesus was given a rag soaked in vinegar to enhance his misery, Modi should be allowed to suck on a rag soaked in quadruped urine.

 
At 2:28 AM, Blogger Shirin said...

"After reading the comments here I'm going to petition the Indian government that all terrorists henceforth be buried wrapped in pig-skin and with a hunk of pork in their mouth."

What an incredibly ignorant comment! All you have accomplished with it is to demonstrate your own bigotry, stupidity, and blind hatred. Congratulations.

 
At 8:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i agree with above posts for the punishment given to the terrorists.Also includes all the hindutva claiming thugs,cops,n their great leader Modi who is unrepented about more than 2000 innocent muslims who were raped,tortured,pregnant women belly ripped open n burned alive.n still waiting for justice in refugee camps in the great Democracy of India.

 
At 10:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

PRS..Dude I think you need to add the assholes who killed 2000 muslims in Gujrat to your list. Infact I think those mofo's should be buried in a place where all the waste/garbage goes..
btw..I am half indian and half pakistani..and 100% Muslim.
It is funny to see everyone pointing there filthy fingers on Muslims in general for everything that happens..get a life! Whenever Indian Muslims die from attacks...nothing happens...no one ses anything...
Indian Hindus need to wake up and realize that Muslims in India are INDIANS after all..they have more in common with your asses than pakistani Muslims.

 
At 3:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it's repugnant to harm, terrorize or bully ANYONE, ANY TIME, any where! Irrespective of religious affiliations or beliefs, or LACK thereof. In fact, I would venture to say that organized religion of any kind be abolished. if it serves no purpose other than to divide and hurt people, then WHY BOTHER! Religion is the BANE of modenr society

 

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