Gates: Administration Critics view of US Military Capabilities in Benghazi “Cartoonish”

Former Bush and Obama administrations secretary of defense Bob Gates, a lifelong Republican, replied to some of the GOP fantasies about the possibility of a US military mission into Benghazi on Sept. 11, 2012. He pointed out that successful military insertions require substantial planning and knowledge of the environment into which troops are being put. He called the imagination of US military capabilities on the Hill “cartoonish.”

The Interview with CBS’s Face the Nation is here:

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    • Those who supported the rebels would have been under no illusions that things would be perfect only that things would overall be better for the majority.

      Polling data seems to support this.

      link to gallup.com

      • There are those who would rather see a thousand Abu Salim prison massacres than admit that they were Wrong On the Internet, or that the United States could possibly have done something positive.

  1. Ambassador Smith and the other employee were dead within 30 minutes of the attack and the rest escaped in a SUV shortly thereafter. Outside of the CIA operatives who responded, no one else could have gotten there in time to do anything. As for the second attack, it was by mortar. Two guys could set up a mortar in an alley anywhere and fire off a half dozen rounds in 2 minutes, move on and do it again with very little chance of detection, no matter if there were planes overhead or US soldiers on the ground in the area. This is such a non-issue, I don’t see how anyone with brains could fall for it.

  2. i could be wrong but every post is supposed to have evacuation plans or something along those lines. One would think that a search and rescue team had already done the practicing for the ‘what if’ scenario as well. It’s not like there wasnt unrest in Libya before this and things happened out of the blue.

    There are regional jurisdictions and in addition there are bureaucratic jurisdictions, and it sounds like bureacracy was the problem in securing interagency help, not material things or planning. There are thousands of planning committes in the government, who came through?? Maybe diplomats and US personnel should be informed ahead of time if anything goes wrong, sorry you are on your own. That would be harsh. I dont understand why ex Secretary Gates says knowledge of the environment is required. What has everyone been doing the past several years in the Middle East?? There are many jobs for mapping and geospatial portfolios, among other kinds.

    There are efforts now to claim supplies for fueling or whatever were not at hand for a rescue plane to fly from italy. Well, our country is not an island. The US bureaucrats should pick up a phone and started working it, including asking the Italians for material cooperation (ie we will compensate you later for the fuel) even if behind the scenes, given this crisis involved Libya and the Italians and Libyans have a different relationship than we do.

    I’m sorry for the diplomat who called for a rescue plane and was declined. There was a report that two planes eventually were sent, because the first one didnt have the capacity to pick up everyone. That diplomat is off the hook, he did follow procedure it sounds like. He was retaliated against ironically by higher ups in State who’ve been there too long and are used to using dirty tactics.

    I dont agree with blaming Clinton, the problem predates her tenure. As Secretary though, there is culpability for not reforming the process but then who knows, too often the higher ups in the bureaucracies report only butterflies and daisies to their big bosses so how could Clinton have an accurate view of things? In addition, there is a tendency for some of the higher ups to stifle the other ranks so serious matters are not brought to the Secretary’s attention. The problem lies deeper in the ranks but thanks to the smoke and mirrors campaign, things will be allowed to fester at State and the wrong heads will roll

  3. Looks like the whole Dumbpire is devolving into something of a cross between the Keystone Kops and The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight:

    Inter alia, ponderous efforts to crush “transparency” by demolishing “leakers” (except the approved ones, of course.)

    “Obama Pursuing Leakers Sends Warning to Whistle-Blowers”
    link to bloomberg.com

    Using the IRS like the best Nixonian dorks, to suppress and deter anyone, and that includes ANYONE whether “TeaParty” or “librul,” who dares to even criticize the Gummint. “Enemies” lists. From that most trustworthy of sources, apparently now fearful that the targeting picture for government abuse might include THEM and not just Hippies:

    “The conclusion that the IRS came to is that they did have agents who were engaged in intimidation of political groups,” Michigan Rep. Mike Rogers told “Fox News Sunday.” “I don’t care if you’re a conservative, a liberal, a Democrat or a Republican, this should send a chill up your spine. It needs to have a full investigation.”

    The internal IG timeline shows a unit in the agency was looking at Tea Party and “patriot” groups dating back to early 2010. But it shows that list of criteria drastically expanding by the time a June 2011 briefing was held. It then included groups focused on government spending, government debt, taxes, and education on ways to “make America a better place to live.” It even flagged groups whose file included criticism of “how the country is being run.”

    By early 2012, the criteria were updated to include organizations involved in “limiting/expanding government,” education on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and social economic reform.

    Read more: link to nation.foxnews.com

    Launch the Drones! link to metacafe.com

    Intentional non-feasance when it comes to “governance.” (No cites needed, obviously)

    Flat-out blindness when it comes to stuff like trillions in corruption (over 10 years, so “no harm no foul,” right?”) at the Pentagram (“Boys will be good ol’ boys, ya know… it’s just how Bidness is done.”)

    link to wanttoknow.info Yeah, old news but no change except to get worse…

    And a whole raft of other End-of-Dumbpire stuff that is so deliciously redolent and reminiscent of the decline and fall of other empires.

    Exceptional? NOT! Not even very good at it — the Byzantines and Romans and even the Brits went down with a lot more decadence than we are managing, though the 0.001%ers are sure giving it a run for our money:

    link to superyachts.com

    And speaking of ironically delicious:

    “Yogi Sinking Report Concluded; No Blame, But Unanswered Questions”

    link to megayachtnews.com

    “Bad stuff happens, but no blame, please. Unless you can hang it on some underling with no defenses, or better yet,keep anyone from finding out about it…”

  4. This is why it’s dangerous for white lefties to think they can get back at Obama for stealing “their” party from them by helping the Tea Partiers destroy Obama and the government. The people running the Right don’t use Benghazi as part of a narrative for the need to return to isolationism (which is why Ron Paul never gets more than a few % of GOP delegates every four years); they use it as part of a narrative to claim a birthright to infinite security on every square inch of the globe for American “interests” regardless of our crimes.

    The problem is that Democratic presidents act as though they will be lynched if they cannot maintain that impossible standard, and the peace movement is doing nothing to allay the paranoia of ordinary idiots and prepare them for the unpleasant short-term consequences of our necessary loss of global hegemony.

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