EU: Israeli Squatter Settlements in Palestine could Lead to all-out War

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BETHLEHEM (Ma’an) — An EU high representative said during a UN Security Council briefing on Monday that the prospective of a viable two-state solution was getting “beyond reach,” according to the UN News Center.

“The possibility of a secure state of Israel and a viable state of Palestine living side by side is fading away,” European Union High Representative for Foreign Affairs Federica Mogherini said during the briefing. “And together with the perspective of the two states, peace would also get beyond reach.”

Commenting on the continuing conflicts that have erupted across the Middle East, Mogherini said regional security concerns should “push everyone to renew our efforts towards ending the [Israeli-Palestinian] conflict.”

Mogherini emphasized that disagreements and conflicts around Jerusalem’s holy sites had the potential to inflame political instability in the region, while articulating her hopes of political recommendations that were expected to be put forth by international representatives participating in the French initiative as they prepare for a multilateral peace conference to be held by the end of the year.

However, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has consistently rejected the proposed peace initiative, instead voicing his support for direct talks with Palestinians and reviving the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative, which would establish an independent Palestinian state on 1967 lines and with East Jerusalem as its capital.

A number of Palestinian activists have criticized the two-state solution as unsustainable and unlikely to bring durable peace, proposing instead a binational state with equal rights for Israelis and Palestinians.

The binational state — termed the “one-state solution” — has increasingly gained support among Palestinians, activist groups, and intellectuals purporting it as the most reasonable way of upholding Palestinian human rights and their internationally recognized right to return to lands they were expelled from during and after the establishment of Israel in 1948.

Via Ma’an News Agency

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  1. Peace has been beyond reach for many years now. Religious fundamentalists cannot be reasoned with, they believe they have their god on their side. It’s a recipe for disaster, and it’s a feature of all religions.

  2. Does Israel have a long term future?

    Everything I see says no. The long term flow of history has threads that are all negative for Israel.

    – Arab unity – Eventually the Arabs and Persians will fully dismantle the Sykes–Picot Agreement and settle into viable countries. At that point they will turn their attention toward Israel instead of internal power struggles.

    – Weapons technology – Every nation on earth these days has access to all the best weapons. Over the last 100 years humans have fully optimized weapons technology and made the optimized technology relatively inexpensive. Sure the USA and Israel vastly over-spend for worthless junk (F-35 for one), but most nations on earth have now acquired more than adequate weapons for very low costs. Sure Israel has nukes, but they are worthless for anything but committing suicide. If Israel uses their nukes, they will get nuked in retaliation and cease to exist.

    – USA protection – Over decades and centuries, global power constantly shifts. For 50 years the USA has had a large amount of power, but as history documents very well, all those that have huge power for a period of time ALWAYS lose most (or all) of the power. There is no way to prevent this and over the next decade regardless who governs the USA, it will decline in power. This is partially due to global factors and partially due to internal problems exacerbated by the rise of robotics (most humans in the USA are unemployable – that is, there are no jobs for them). As the USA declines in power, it will become extremely reluctant to protect Israel.

    – Israeli arrogance – Israelis are super arrogant and super paranoid (for some valid reasons), but this prevents them from negotiating with the Arabs to minimize wars. Without compromise by the Israelis (they invaded the ME), Israeli will be stuck with wars that they will not be able to win. Note that in the last 10,000 years of history exactly ZERO military have not suffered complete, humiliating defeat. Israel can not escape the same fate over time.

    As much as I hate to say it, I do not see a very good future for Israel. But we should note that this is the CHOICE Israelis are making, either because they are blind to the historical trends or are arrogant enough to think they can defy history.

    I wish there was a way to knock some sense into the Israelis, but they seem impervious to that, so they will just have to continue on their path to destruction while we all watch the train wreck.

    • You are too glib in rejecting the nuclear threat.

      Israel has German build subs that are almost undetectable. They are most certainly equipped with nuclear missles. If Israel was overrun and occupied by conventional armies, then they still have the means, as well as the motivation for a nuclear vengeance strike.

      • The subs are detectable and their nuclear cruse missiles have less than a 1000 mile range from the sub. limiting who they can nuke.

        And yes, the sub crews could nuke others in vengeance, BUT they would have no home to return to, nor a refuge anywhere on earth, so they would be committing suicide. They would also ensure that every Jewish person on earth would have a target on them because the survivors of the nuclear attacks would be looking for vengeance in return. Such a scenario could lead to the end of the Jewish people. Note that there are multiple nuclear equipped countries down-wind of likely targets who will be very angry about having their citizens and their food supplies contaminated by radiation..

        It is possible, but I think it is less probable.

        • Nuclear deterrent is and always has been crazy. Hardliners like Netanyahu are certainly certifiably crazy enough.

          Any threat to Israel’s existence will come from its immediate Arab neighborhood, so range isn’t really an issue.

          As to the subs detectability, they will pose plenty of challenge for an Arab army. And they only have to miss one.

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        • My bad, Israel actually received the Dolphin class without AIP. This will make them a bit easier to detect, but in electric propulsion mode the sound signature will still be very low.

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    • Whether Israel has a long-term future or not is debatable. I suspect it does have a long-term future. Nevertheless, your reasons for doubting Israel’s prospects for a long-term future are as debatable as the question itself.

      Regarding “Arab unity,” that has about as much likelihood as the secular states of Egypt and Syria did when they unified as the United Arab Republic under Nasser. It didn’t take long for them to split and return to their previous status as separate nation-states. Whether or not the Arab states shed their Sykes-Picot frontiers and evolve into a different pattern, there will be too many differences with varying agendas to ever hope for one vast, unified Arab World. In my opinion, Israel has nothing to fear from so-called Arab unity. And what do the Iranians (Persians in your piece) have to do with it? They were in no way affected by the Sykes-Picot Agreement. To think that Arabs and Iranians will unite on any issue long enough to make a historic difference is a mirage.

      Your statement: “Note that in the last 10,000 years of history exactly ZERO military have not suffered complete, humiliating defeat,” is refuted by the very history you invoke. The army of Alexander the Great, for example, never “suffered complete, humiliating defeat.” Alexander conquered the known world and got as far as crossing the Indus River before turning back. He died in 323 BC in Babylon, and his empire was divided among his officers, eventually consolidating into the Antigonid Dynasty centered on Greece, the Seleucid Empire in Asia, and the Ptolemaic Kingdom in Egypt. Alexander’s army, however, never suffered a major defeat.

      The other points you raise are debatable and may or may not come to pass. But my understanding of history suggests one would be ill-advised to place bets on the two you mentioned that I have addressed.

      • Why did Alexander turn back? because he got tired of war? or because his army was worn out and facing defeat?

        Iran was also controlled by the British empire and I included it because it may also expand or contract as new entities evolve. Over time the internal power struggles associated with the de-colonization of the ME will stop and then the Arabs will shift their focus to Israel. Yes there will be lots of differing entities, BUT they will mostly get along, just as the Europeans do today and Israel will still be a sore point.

        Israel is losing lots of power and is increasingly vulnerable to both internal and external forces of chaos.

        • Alexander’s army most certainly was not facing defeat, and it never was defeated. He turned back because his generals decided they had conquered enough and did not want to continue the march. It was not because they feared defeat from an adversary. That is well-documented.

          Iran was never part of the British Empire. Britain had some influence, but Iran was neither a British colony nor was it affected by the Sykes-Picot Agreement you mentioned.

          In light of past history, your observation that the various Arab entities “will mostly get along,” is highly problematic. I would suggest it is unwarranted optimism.

    • One further comment regarding your paragraph on “Weapons Technology.” Israel has vastly superior weapons technology–ground, air, and sea–than that possessed by its Arab neighbors, as well as by Iran. But more importantly, Israel has the tactical know-how, intelligence capability, deception skills, and over-all ability to use these weapons that is far superior to that of its potential adversaries. There is no reason to believe it will not maintain this lead far into the future.

      • This is definitely NOT true.

        Technology, especially weapons technology is a thing I know very well.

        There are four things that make your assertion false:

        – Physics and Chemistry – Over the last 100 years both categories of weapons (inter-personal and area) have essentially been optimized to the point that physics and chemistry limit any further development (BTW – this ti the same with most aspect of technology these days). That is, most weapons systems available today are essentially equal with NO COUNTRY having any advantage.

        – Economics – Israel (as well as the USA and several other countries) have opted for extremely complex, expensive but failure prone weapons systems whereas their opponents have opted for much less complex, but very capable weapons systems. The nations that have opted for low cost capable weapons systems get much, much more “bang for their buck.” BUT the lower cost weapons systems are JUST AS CAPABLE in battle with the “hi tech junk.” For example, While Israel has anti-missile technology, for every anti-missile Israel has, their opponents have over 1000 times as many reasonably accurate missiles. Basically Israel has wasted huge amounts of money to end up with capability that is no better than their opponents.

        – Global communication – Every tactic that Israel “knows” is also well know by the rest of the world. There are no “secrets.” Why do you think the USA has LOST wars over the last 50 years? Israel’s tactics and intelligence will be no better than the USA.

        – Global trade – Every weapons system is available to every country, even when their trade is supposedly restricted. Right now, China and Iran are producing their own clones of the Russian S-400 system that they reverse engineered from “acquired” S-300 systems then China and Iran exchanged improvements.

        The myth of Israel’s military “superiority” is JUST A MYTH with no basis in fact .

        If Israel gets involved in a real war, they will probably NOT WIN. because wars require three things:

        – lots of cannon fodder – Israel has, at the most, 4 million cannon fodder and their potential opponents have 10 to 25 times that.

        – Lots of stuff to be destroyed – Israel also has very limited amounts of material, even if they call on the USA to replace stuff that gets destroyed (the USA is ALSO has very low resources). Because their opponents have chosen to use a “good enough” low cost material philosophy, they have lots more stuff.

        – Lots of wealth to pay for cannon fodder and material – Israel has very limited national wealth and the USA will have severe limits on how much of its wealth it will be willing to spend. Israel’s opponents have more wealth.

  3. Why would Israel want peace? it does just fine with all its powers, weapons, US support, European support, selling of weapons and “security products” all over the globe so other regimes can also oppress their peoples. What’s not to like with the present situation??
    Read Jeff Halper’s revealing new book “War Against the People” to find facts and figures. No changes likely.

    • Because history is never static and no group of humans can sustain any given situation.

      – In reality, Israel has very little power, even over the Arabs they oppress. They have no way to prevent random acts of violence against Israeli citizens from the people they oppress. This will only get much, much worse over time.

      – Israel has no superiority when it comes to weapons and military which is why it keeps losing battles. The whole world is awash in weapons that are equal to or better than anything Israel has or will ever have.

      – As the USA goes through the process of inevitable decline, Americans will support Israel less and less and no country will replace the USA as Israel’s “protector.” Soon Israel will be completely alone and unprotected.

      – The Europeans are rapidly throwing Israel to the wolves as those born during and after WW2 die off. The younger generations have no guilt about WW2 and do not care about Israel.

      – As I noted, Israeli weapons are nothing special and the global competition is rapidly eating Israel’s market share.

      – The same with their “security” products. The stereotype that Asians are really good at “borrowing” intellectual property are essentially true and Asians have no problem reverse engineering stuff Israelis invent, then leapfrogging Israel by making the products even better. Everything that Israel produces can be purchased on the world market from other sources and usually at a lower cost and equal or better quality.

      So basically ALL the current trends in every aspect of Israel’s existence are negative and getting rapidly worse.

      – The military is no better than their opponents.

      – The exports are declining.

      – The oppressed are more angry

      Pick a historical indicator and it is negative for Israel.

      I think many Israelis can feel the change happening, but can not make the mental leap to the very tough decision they have to make to minimize their bad future.

  4. It has been 69 years since the General Assembly adopted the UN Partition Plan for Palestine — aka Resolution 181(II) — and the subsequent outbreak of war. As Wikipedia states, “The plan was never implemented.” What will Israel/Palestine look like 69 years from now? Does anyone think the status quo can last for 69 more years?

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