“Little Trump” Pence: Bomb Syria, confront Russia, smear refugees; & smoking doesn’t cause Cancer

By Juan Cole | (Informed Comment) | – –

Trump running mate Mike Pence continued the unreality of this election season in Tuesday’s debate by denying many things that are true and asserting many things that are not true. For example there was this exchange:

“KAINE: [Trump said that] More nations should get nuclear weapons. Try to defend that.

PENCE: Don’t put words in my mouth. Well, he never said that, Senator.

KAINE: He absolutely said it. Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Japan.

PENCE: Most of the stuff you’ve said, he’s never said.

Of course, Trump did say it. Even Fox News was appalled:

The biggest Middle East news to come out of the VP debate was that Mike Pence advocated that the US strike “military targets of the Assad regime as a way of punishing Russia for its participation in the campaign to take East Aleppo from the mostly fundamentalist rebel groups now holding it.

That’s huge! Pence wants to go head to head with Russia in Syria and wants vastly to expand the US military involvement by bombing Syrian military targets that are protected by Russian anti-aircraft batteries.

PENCE:. . . And the small and bullying leader of Russia is now dictating terms to the United States to the point where all the United States of America — the greatest nation on Earth — . . . But about Aleppo and about Syria, I truly do believe that what America ought to do right now is immediately establish safe zones, so that families and vulnerable families with children can move out of those areas, work with our Arab partners, real time, right now, to make that happen.

And secondly, I just have to tell you that the provocations by Russia need to be met with American strength. And if Russia chooses to be involved and continue, I should say, to be involved in this barbaric attack on civilians in Aleppo, the United States of America should be prepared to use military force to strike military targets of the Assad regime to prevent them from this humanitarian crisis that is taking place in Aleppo.

No one asked him how he would get around Russia anti-aircraft batteries or how he would stop Russia, which has a naval base and air bases in Syria, from supplying more and better ones to Syria. Or maybe he wants to go to war with nuclear-armed Russia?

Also no one asked him what would happen if he bombed and weakened the Syrian army and then Daesh (ISIS, ISIL) or the al-Qaeda-linked fundamentalist militias took over Damascus?

He further urged a no-fly zone to protect a humanitarian zone. But how would he protect it from troops on the ground?

Pence also said in the debate on Tuesday night that the United States has the lowest number of troops since the end of WW II. Since we are not in a world war, it is not clear why we need a world-war sized army. It is still huge compared to what it was before WW II. But despite not being in the middle of a world war, we are spending $800 billion a year on our war budget. Why? That is $8 trillion a decade. In today’s dollars, WW II cost $4.1 trillion for the four years. That is, we’re spending almost as much money on our war department now as we did when Hitler controlled the entirety of continental Europe with a heavy tank military and Japan had most of Southeast Asia! Big wars are supposed to be rare and then you’re supposed to demobilize. Such a huge standing army has contributed to the downward spiral of American democracy. But Pence wants to spend more and put more men under arms. And lets face it, he wants to do that as a form of corporate welfare, throwing even more money to the big war contractors.

Tim Kaine’s only real response was to agree with Pence that the US should establish a humanitarian zone in Syria. But he did not offer specifics about Syria.

Pence repeated his opposition to the US settling Syrian refugees in this country, and he tried to exclude them from Indiana. He also smeared Syrian refugees as behind the Paris attacks (they weren’t).

How shameless Pence is in his racial bigotry is clear from the recent Federal appeals court ruling against him on the Syria refugee issue. The Chicago Tribune writes,

“The ruling by a three-judge panel for the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago affirmed a preliminary injunction that a federal judge in Indianapolis issued in February. That judge found last year’s order by the Republican governor, now Donald Trump’s running mate, “clearly discriminates” against refugees from the war-torn nation.”

The court actually called Pence a racist:

“He argues that his policy of excluding Syrian refugees is based not on nationality and thus is not discriminatory, but is based solely on the threat he thinks they pose to the safety of residents of Indiana. But that’s the equivalent of his saying (not that he does say) that he wants to forbid black people to settle in Indiana not because they’re black but because he’s afraid of them, and since race is therefore not his motive he isn’t discriminating.”

But there are other reasons no one should pay any attention to anything Pence says.

Mike Pence has taken over $100,000 from tobacco company lobbyists to deny that smoking cigarettes causes cancer. He voted against the 2009 Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act. Tobacco smoke has 8 of the proven cancer-causing agents. The Centers for Disease Control estimates the following: “Cigarette smoking causes about one of every five deaths in the United States each year,” that is more “than 480,000 deaths annually.” The scientists add, “Life expectancy for smokers is at least 10 years shorter than for nonsmokers. Included in this massacre is that “Exposure to secondhand smoke causes an estimated 41,000 deaths each year among adults in the United States.” Note that many of those involuntarily exposed to second hand smoke are children.

This Pence position is not a quirk. It is not a forgivable lapse. Pence is a professional hit man, paid to rub out tens of thousands of Americans. He is an axe murderer for hire.

Then, Pence opposed a needle exchange program in Indiana. As a result rural whites sharing needles to shoot up prescription drugs were stricken with an AIDS epidemic. Pence’s opposition to the program hand nothing to do with protecting public health or with taking a scientific approach to public health issues. He thinks a needle exchange might encourage drug use and so was willing to sentence people to death.

I could go down the list– denying human-made climate change; legislating that the religious can discriminate against gay people (in 1964 many white evangelicals argued that they should be able to discriminate against African-Americans because of their “faith”); or trying to ban abortion and the control of women over their own bodies.

But between the Himalayan lies and the execrable policy positions, you get the picture. People keep contrasting Pence with Trump, but Pence is a Trump in politicians’ clothing. He is just as dishonest and erratic, just much smoother about it.

17 Responses

  1. Trump’s understanding of the world, together with his normal way of talking to people, makes it hard for me to believe that he is less likely than Clinton to get us more involved in wars.
    The two greatest threats to the human species are climate change and nuclear war. Trumps stated positions are to speed up climate change and nuclear proliferation.
    A Trump presidency would likely make more people fall in love with the status quo he disrupted to the point where they’d support a coup. People who who can’t vote for the lesser evil won’t get their revolution, and they won’t be standing on a higher moral ground, but they will remain comfortably encased in their delusions.

  2. I too was astounded when Pence said we should bomb Syrian targets. But then again, we actually just did that a few weeks ago. Maybe that was a test, to see the reaction.

  3. All of this on Syria by Pence should have been met with “your boss doesn’t agree with you.” Whatever the merits of the position- and of course there are none- Pence is 180 degrees away from Trump when he blandly states that he agrees 100% with Hillary and is for confrontation with the Russians.

    Is he even running on the same ticket as Trump?

  4. bobc: I’m voting Green so tell me why am I not on a higher place than others voting for the less evil and what are my delusions?

    • google “an 8 point brief for lesser evil voting Chomsky”. It makes sense to me.

    • Likelihood of the Greens actually winning are very, very low, because they have very little support across America.

      Vast majority of votes going to the Greens rather than HRC are therefore only cutting into the vote-share of the “lesser evil”, and increase the likelihood of a Trump victory.

      It’s necessary to vote strategically.

      The question of your “delusions” or being on a “higher place” are actually irrelevant. It’s necessary to maximise the positive impact of your vote, and it’s necessary to do so strategically.

    • Here’s prof Chomsky answering your query –

      link to chomsky.info

      Leaving aside the obvious rejoinder that this is exactly the point of lesser evil voting-i.e. to do less evil, what needs to be challenged is the assumption that voting should be seen a form of individual self-expression rather than as an act to be judged on its likely consequences, specifically those outlined in 4).

      A more general conclusion to be derived from this recognition is that this sort of cost/benefit strategic accounting is fundamental to any politics which is serious about radical change. Those on the left who ignore it, or dismiss it as irrelevant are engaging in political fantasy and are an obstacle to, rather than ally of, the movement which now seems to be materializing.

      The suffering which these [Trump’s] and other similarly extremist policies and attitudes will impose on marginalized and already oppressed populations has a high probability of being significantly greater than that which will result from a Clinton presidency.

      • There are instances when voting for the lesser evil is appropriate such as some versions of the greater evil plunging the nation into the abyss while the lesser evil may stop at the precipice, but there are two arguments against voting for the perceived lesser evil this year: (1) There is no lesser evil when considering Clinton and Trump, (2) Americans have been voting the lesser evil for decades and the choices have become progressively worse with each quadrennial charade so that, according to recent polls, a sizable portion (about half?)) of the American people don’t want either Clinton or Trump. Of those who will be casting their ballots for one or the other, many are doing so more in opposition to the candidate they reject than for the one getting the votes.

  5. Mike Pence emphasizes that he is above all else a Christian. Obviously, Christians come in a variety of forms and flavors. He appears to be some concoction of a 12th Century Crusader and an inquisitor from 13th Century Spain both of which had expiration dates centuries ago.

  6. And yet Pence was declared the “winner” because he said these things with a calm demeanor and a straight face.

  7. As early as 1929 the German physician Fritz Lickint presented the first statistical evidence which linked cigarette smoking with lung cancer. In 1939 he published “Tobacco and the Organism” a thousand-page study on diseases associated with every form of tobacco use. He was not alone. In 1939 Hermann Mueller published his results of an improved study which confirmed the conclusions of Lickint. In 1943 Eberhard Schairer and Erich Schroeninger published an even more complex study in which they came to the same conclusion. As early as 1934 the German government banned smoking in many public areas and advertising of cigarettes. Non-smoking carriages were added to trains. Pence is ignorant or his staff does not present him with the overwhelming evidence of the dangers of cigarette smoking.

  8. Is Donald Trump evil? He managed to turn devout Christian Governor Pence into a head-jerking as though possessed serial liar on national television for all to witness.

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