Of Mushrooms and Peak Experiences
The magic mushrooms really do work. Depending on what you mean by "work."
I suspect that these mushrooms were used to make the soma of the ancient Hindu scriptures, and the haoma of ancient Iran.
The mushroom-produced drug induces feelings of oneness with the universe and afterwards, a sense of well-being. These experiences were called "peak experiences" by psychologist Abraham Maslow. His critics claimed that the experience itself is ethically neutral, and it can become a form of selfishness in itself. But these experiments seem to suggest that the experience is not in fact neutral, that it produces a weeks-long sense of well-being that is noticed by the people around one.
Drugs of all sorts can affect mental states, and mystics were always masters at using those states for self-betterment and self-exploration. Starbucks addicts may be interested to know that Muslim Sufi mystics probably started up the practice of drinking concentrated coffee, in the 1400s in Yemen, as a way of staying up late praying and seeking . . . peak experiences.
But the experience itself is not wisdom and wouldn't make a person wise. It is not the insight or nirvana of the Buddha or the moksha or liberation of the yogis or the fana' or self-effacement of the Sufis. That comes with a genuine discipline and a practical philosophy of life.
The human mind has the capacity to feel the oneness of things, to put aside selfish ego and the violence, psychic and physical, that it promotes. The drug just demonstrates that the capacity is there. This was known. The question is, what one does with it. A peak experience can just be an experience. Or it can be the beginning of a more fulfilled, kind and giving life. The drug by itself is no more important than a parlor trick. As with anything in life, it matters what is done with it. And, the true mystic does not need mushrooms to have peak experiences.
More exciting than the mystical high induced by this drug is the possibility that a processed form of it may help combat depression. For a lot of people, the existing depression drugs don't work or are unpleasant. The longer I live, the more I become convinced that most of the nasty things people do to one another come out of various psychopathologies, including their own depression. Less depression in the world would be all to the good. Also less selfishness, and more of an ability to empathize with others, even one's putative enemies. That's the peak of the peak, and I doubt it has anything to do with mushrooms.


24 Comments:
I must agree with you on this prof. Mushies can indeed help a person discover the good in themselves, but it cannot be done as part of a cynical selfishness. Mushies are but part of the wind that can blow the ship, but you are the compass, you must know where you are going first.
I must agree with you prof. Mushrooms can indeed help you communicate with the good in you, put it cannot be done out of want of a 'trip'. Muushies are like the wind that blows the ship, but you must be the compass and know which way you are going.
Thats why you should only use them responsibly and with a specific aim as part of a ritual that will guide and inform your attempt to understand what you seek to understand so that you dont get lost in the world that you create during the experience.
I am very curious to know what inspired this blog? So my comment is one I made a long time ago on the same issue, while in college.
ANOTHER important consideration is what the internal psychological structure is for SELF. That internal structure, the enduring environment across all other outside environments is where and with what the drug interacts.
My new addendum is that it is even more complicated than what I have previously described. IMO there is the spiritual and the souls' dimension that is added to the environment of the SELF's other two dimensions of physical and mental-experiential/psychological. This makes four dimensions of the SELF that a drug effects.
thanks for that. Good old Timothy Leary used to say that in the future, in a world where we are all so inextricably connected, that we won't be able to afford to have anyone even think they're unhappy. I think of that phrase often, these days, with the news full of dreadfully unhappy people. The paradigm of "we're right, everyone else is wrong" doesn't really seem to be working all that well for us, or for anyone else. thanks again for all your good work.
"The longer I live, the more I become convinced that most of the nasty things people do to one another come out of various psychopathologies"
So basically, you're saying that serving the right mushroom pate at the "right" political parties could solve a lot of the world's problems.
In my experience, the pathway to spirituality matters less than what the individual takes away from the moment. While I acknowlegde the potential for abuse of so called "magic mushrooms" there has been a long history of usage aimed at attaining a higher mental or spiritual state. While I can stake no claim to deism, as an atheist, I still have come to know the power of understanding things greater than the individual through hallucinagens. Simply shifting the focus from the means to the ends of attaining spirituality, I cn understand the results of hte study. Bad trips can and do happen, but it is no reason not to use all means at our human disposal to achieve wisdom and understanding, especially if it leads to a reduction in depression and negative self-imagery. I appreciate your flagging this story, as it reinforces the notion that these supposedly mystical substances can be used to enhance the workings of the human mind, and allow many people the chance to experience somehting outside of their individual and verifiable existence.
Doesn't it all really distill to the Golden Rule: "Do unto other as you would have them do unto you." My belief is that by placing oneself in the the other person's shoes 99+% of our human induced misery would suddenly and irrevocably disappear. Added bonus - no drugs required.
Dr. Cole,
There was all kinds of research on this subject in the 60's and 70's. Unfortunately, it was all shut down by the powers that be. My guess is that it will be again. However, I agree that these drugs (plants) have a lot of healing potential. Surprisingly, the Supreme Court has, at least temporarily, allowed the use of Hoasca tea (also called ayahuasca) for a church in Santa Fe. I'm a psychiatrist and I have an interest in this subject. I'm surprised that you do as well.
I've tried them in Amsterdam and England (when they were still legal). Mushrooms in their most potent natural state can yeild fantastic experiences to the end user. I did notice a very significant shift in my mood for the better over the next few weeks after each use... and when I reflect back on the experiences and the feelings I had subsequent use I cannot help but smile.
One issue though is the effect heavily depends on the attitudes of the user him/herself. If a person is significantly depressed and views the consumption of the mushrooms with such feelings as paranoia, it will also reflect in the "trip", most likely for the negative.
I can in fact say that the experience to me was akin to being a child again, or a rebirth... I'd like to see if the a medical version of the mushrooms actually can yeild positive results for people prone to depression.
I'm pretty anti-drug in general, I don't even like taking aspirin if I don't need it. However I've always considered psychodelics to be a special class. With the right motivation it seems that they can be very useful as a means to personal discovery and growth.
I personally only have used them once but the experience was richly rewarding. I even discovered a power animal which surprised the hell out of me since I had never believed in them before!
It is really unfortunate that our national policy towards drugs has been of the "if you aren't with us you are against us" mold. Drugs are either all good or all bad. Alcohol, tobacco, and caffeinne are all good. Marijuana is all bad. Acid is all bad. Heroin is one of the few where I think a legitimate case can be made for the stuff being pure concentrated evil. With less harmful and addictive drugs we'd be better off tryig to find a middle ground of balance, and recognizing that while they certainly have risks and drawbacks they can legitimately be rewarding and useful.
"The mushroom-produced drug induces feelings of oneness with the universe and afterwards, a sense of well-being."
Maybe we should air drop them over Baghdad.
As an avid reader of your blog and others, I find myself deeply immersed in the (mostly bad) state of this world. We try to push for conventional polical solutions, and this can be frustrating and depressing. I appreciate you high-lighting the mental and spiritual component of our lives. In addition to being politically aware and active, I sometimes feel that the best thing one can do is spread balance and peace where we are. Personally I find the practice and meditation of yoga to be an enjoyable and powerful tool to this end.
Jim: A problem with "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is that it is exactly what right-wingers think they are doing when they impose their religious dictates on others: It's exactly what they think they'd like to have done to them. (It's questionable if they'd still think that if they were in those other shoes, of course."
A better maxim: Avoid doing to others what you would not want them to do to you. If we followed this maxim we certainly wouldn't be trying to bomb Iraq into freedom and democracy.
Now we know why Fearless Leader spends so much time at his "ranch."
Bush: I'll have the mushroom dressing. No salad, just the mushrooms.
Also explains how his cabal manages to express optmism in the face of disaster.
Billmon - Please do.......
Billmon - It wouln't even brake any iraqi laws, would it? Hell, you would save the lives of countless innocent people. They would all be too stoned to kill each other, and when the trip ends- they will all be happy.
Maybe virgin air could get their planes ready.
If I may, I'd just like to put in a good word for the purely recreational use of drugs like mushrooms. With all the usual caveats in place (have an experienced guide you can trust, use only when your non-drugged mind is in a fairly benign state, try to be outdoors, etc.), can anyone seriously argue that the world would be a worse place if all the beer in the world were suddenly replaced by psyilocybin mushrooms?
Humans have proved themselves to be diligent --indeed, nearly unstoppable -- in the pursuit of the precious buzz. It's simply ridiculous that our society squanders as much time and energy and human potential as it does on making sure that we are forced to rely on only the most destructive buzz-inducing methodologies.
this blog should be called "not so informed comment," because of obvious unfamiliarity with this vexing subject. first, most scholars agree with wasson's identification of the Vedic soma, as the amanita muscaria mushroom which is utterly different from the psilocybin bearing ones.
as for "ethical neutrality" it shold be clear that "weeks-long sense of well being," is hardly the issue. subjects in the orginal "good friday experiment" of which this JH study is an elaboration of, report twenty five years later that the experience had a profound effect on their lives.
once you realize "TAT VAM ASI" or "Thou Art That," it makes the Golden Rule sort of perogative of happiness. or, to put in the language of Rumi:
The Worm's Waking
This is how a human being can change:
There was worm addicted to eating grape leaves
suddenly something wakes him
call it Grace, whatever, something
And he realizes he is no longer a worm
He is the entire vineyard, the grape, the leaves..
A growing wisdom and joy
that doesn't need to devour.
Rumi
getting loaded on stimulants and mushrooms have almost nothing in common.
"experience is not wisdom" is true enough, but the question of whether the momentary glimpse of "moksha," "liberation", "nirvana," is veridical or useful is another matter. i say we let religious scholars and mystics partake of the sacred mushroom and let them say if that experience is relev
ant.
my book, Entheogens and the Future of Religion
explores these and other questions...
Let'sSaveDemocracy!
robert forte
Marijuana has been used by both the anti-war crowd and by warriors before battle in the middle east in ancient times. Mushrooms were used during human sacrifice by the Aztecs as well as by those seeking personal enlightenment today.
These experiences only offer what the individual brings along with it.
The true enlightenment can only come from honest mindfulness and unselfish compassion for others.
This is what I have learned from life.
And yes I have done shrooms and have sat up all night eating medicine with the Dine(Navajo) but as I said, it only gives you what you have already brought with you.
Dose, set, and setting
Dose of the drug, set of mind during the experience, and setting where the experience happens determine the the quality of the experience, peak or not.
Given that, I expect carpet bombing with psilocybin (I imagine a scene from "Things to Come" with Raymond Massey and Ralph Richardson) in Iraq is not going to be any real solution.
Cole:
"The mushroom-produced drug induces feelings of oneness with the universe and afterwards, a sense of well-being."
then Billmon:
Maybe we should air drop them over Baghdad.
to Billmon -- We should drop them over Washington first, natch, targeting AIPAC, the White House, the war rooms and all the neocon think tanks; then slip a bunch into the tea over at Fox. Or maybe somebody can get close to Rupert Murdoch and feed him some.
I had a dream last night that most supporters and actors of random violence (i.e. terrorists, guerillas, insurgents, murderers, arsonists, rapists, etc) suffered from mental illness. If we can do things to relieve and repair mental illness, perhaps we are moving in the right direction
There was an editorial recently in the New England Journal of Medicine (I think) calling on the government to loosen restraints on research into the therapeutic value of pyschedelics. There is also a site www.clusterbusters.com of people who use modest doses of Psylocibin mushrooms or LSD to ward of cluster headaches or migraines. The doses they use are modest, however, so the therapeutic value probably derives from some tweaking of brain chemistry and not any mystical, spiritual experience (not that I am opposed to the latter).
I am a chronic migraine sufferer, myself, as well as having other problems. I have experimented with many herbal treatments (prescription drugs from the docs haven't helped). One thing I now take regularly that helps (and has completely cured my restless leg syndrome, as well) is 5-HTP, which can be purchased in any health food store. It naturally raises the brain's serotonin levels, which suggests to me that these treatments may work by tweaking serotonin levels. Nonetheless, I do occasionally still get migraine attacks. Most recently, I experimented with warding off a migraine attack with an herb called Virola, which is traditionally used by the shamans of certain South American indian tribes. It contains certain tryptamine-based alkaloids (principally DMT, I think) similar to Psylocibin and LSD, but it also contains some MAOIs. It worked perfectly! The migraine dissipated immediately after smoking 2 hits of the stuff from a water pipe. I think the MAOIs may have been a more significant factor than the tryptamines, but I am not sure.
There really needs to be more honest research into this stuff. The hysteria of the drug war is blocking research into useful therapeutic treatments for many things (as well as the fact that medical research in this country is held hostage to drug company profits).
In my experience, and I never tried them because I observed so many people who did, psilocybin mushrooms are responsible for more mental illness that any other drug.
In fact as far as I could tell, mental problems were almost almost guaranted, as all the people I knew who took these foul fungi developed anytng from at minimum long lasting paranoia and depression, up to the worst case -- complete permanent psychosis, insanity.
If you're taking them, please stop. If not, please don't.
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