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Juan Cole is President of the Global Americana Institute

Friday, November 16, 2007

The Democratic Debate seen from San Francisco, Boston and Des Moines

Everyone reads the NYT and WaPo, so I thought it might be interesting to see how some other newspapers covered the Democratic debate. The San Francisco Chronicle's Carla Marinucci awards the Las Vegas debate to Hillary Clinton. Clinton had to come back from her poor performance in Philadelphia. So in that sense she won if she performed reasonably well, which she did. Marinucci felt that Obama stumbled on the issue of giving driver's licenses to undocumented aliens. (He equivocated before finally saying that he was for it.)

(Cole: You have to sympathize with the Democratic candidates. Letting the undocumented get drivers licenses might encourage them to learn how to drive properly so as to pass the test,and reduce a potential hazard on the highways. And, the measure is probably popular with Latino voters, whom the Democrats are trying fairly successfully to woo (1/3 of Latinos had voted Republican in some earlier elections, but they are trending Democrat now; thus, Gov. Bill Richardson's support for giving them drivers licenses.) But the Lou Dobbses of the world have gone ballistic on this issue. Apparently the American public prefers that its nannies, gardeners, store clerks and other workers, which it freely hires in full knowledge that this cheap labor is here illegally, take the bus to the homes of their white employers instead of putting on airs and driving cars. Problem: Most of the US does not have good public transportation, and it is not safe to have the undocumented sneak around driving illicitly. If the US Right is so exercised about this issue, they should stop hiring undocumented laborers; the Right is the ones with the money anyway. Most Democrats don't own big companies like Walmart, a major employer of undocumented workers, don't own big strawberry-farming haciendas in California, and don't have big mansions peopled with nannies and gardeners.)

David Yepsen of the Des Moines Register agreed that Obama fumbled the drivers license issue, but also slammed him for not having a clear answer on the storage of nuclear waste.

In contrast, he praises Richardson and Dodd for turning in truly thoughtful, presidential performances. (He doesn't mention Biden for some odd reason).

But Yepsen reserves his severest judgment for John Edwards, who, he says, "should have stayed home," and who got booed for labeling Clinton a "corporate Democrat." He writes:


' Edwards also had a poor night because for the first time, the differences between his votes as a U.S. senator and his talk now came into clear focus. He voted for the Iraq war, the Patriot Act and using Yucca Mountain as a nuclear-waste disposal site. Those votes are at odds with the populist rhetoric he serves up today, and it will undermine the credibility of his message."


Yepsen games out the upcoming Iowa contest among the Democrats, and, interestingly enough, concludes that it may be bad for Clinton if Edwards plummets in the polls:

' Ironically, Edwards' poor performance may be bad news for Clinton in Iowa.

That's because Clinton, Edwards and Obama are in a statistical tie for first among caucus-going Democrats here. If either Obama or Edwards should fade in Iowa, his supporters may move to the other candidate, making that man the leading anti-Clinton candidate.

And that could give him enough votes to eke out a plurality win over her on caucus night.'


Of course, there is another possibility that Yepsen does not mention, which is that former Edwards supporters switch to Clinton rather than to Obama. On grounds of how the candidates talk about class issues, of course, Yepsen is probably right that it would be more likely for working class and lower middle class Edwards supporters in Iowa to move to supporting Obama if Edwards falters.

Susan Milligan of the Boston Globe concurs that Sen. Clinton recovered in Las Vegas. She focuses on the issue of taxes. Sen. Obama complains that Social Security taxes are paid only on the first $97,000 or so of earnings, so that persons who earn more than that actually pay less percentage-wise than those who are poorer than they. Clinton maintained that if the cap is simply removed, it would be a trillion dollar tax increase and would harm "the middle class." Obviously, it would actually be a tax increase for the upper middle class and for the rich. Clinton seemed to be championing their class interests, and Obama pointed out that only 6% of earners in the US make more than $100,000 a year, so they are hardly "middle class."

On Pakistan, Milligan portrays Obama as a harsh critic of Gen. Pervez Musharraf and of the policy of backing a military dictator rather than promoting democracy. She writes:

' Obama insisted the choice between human rights abroad and security at home was a false one. ``The concepts are not contradictory...they are complementary,'' Obama said. If the United States allows repression in Pakistan to continue, anti-American sentiment there will grow.'


Clinton when pressed said she would not back national security over human rights, but she seemed less willing to condemn Musharraf roundly.

On this issue, Manan Ahmed makes a powerful argument at our Global Affairs joint blog that for the US to back Pakistani dictator Gen. Pervez Musharraf at this juncture is self-defeating, and that the Pakistani public dislikes Muslim terrorism and would elect a government that would fight it. (I would add that a representative government would likely be much less tolerant of the neo-Taliban in the north than is the Pakistani military, which has long used such elements for its own purposes.)

This issue did not come up in the debate (naturally, because it can't be publicly and honestly debated in the US without risking a lot of character assassination), but since I'm mentioning the Global Affairs blog, I should note: Gershon Shafir gives us a long and canny analysis of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as an issue in conflicted decolonization, and a contemporary waging of four major conflicts. (It is reprinted from "Conflicts."). If you want to know why the Annapolis conference is rather unlikely to produce breakthroughs, here is a place to start.

12 Comments:

At 2:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is foolish to be drawn so much into the presidential campaigning. The American people are watching a Soap Opera to get them to back one team or another as if it is some sporting event rather than deciding the country's future. The Special Interests cannot lose: they own both sides anyway.

How a candidate performs in a "debate" is of no consequence to the future of the USA, and having to have an opinion on every tiny issue is ridiculous. They are no experts, and neither are the public who are judging them.

Candidates should publish a broad manifesto to be examined by experts. It is the opinion of the unbiased true experts on each subject that matters ... not how the candidate behaved on TV.

You are being used you fools.

 
At 9:06 AM, Blogger John Koch said...

Believe it or not, some Americans cut their own grass, rake their own leaves, care for their own kids, and must make a living at manual trades or modest retail or service jobs. Heaven help the painter or roofer who must compete with others who hire at poverty wages and pay no taxes or insurance. If you legalize a few million of them, hoping they register and pay taxes, the same market forces will conspire to import another 10 million to hire under the table. End result: a higher poverty quotient and stagnant or falling blue collar wages. Citizenship is the ordinary American's union card.

What if U of Michigan began to hire professors without PhDs or without even MAs? The libertarian argument would be that plenty of mid-career people have more experience, and perhaps even better writing, research, or presentation skills, than many tenured dons. They would certainly have better job search counseling skills than the academmes. Plus, you could get them to work more hours and without sabbaticals or perks. Of course, the cushy guild of PhDs would scream and the acrediting cartels would try to veto. But, arguably, schools could lower costs and improve efficiencies.

Ah, but this sort of consistency might be an unpleasant hobgoblin. Better to focus rancor on the unruly selfishness of those dreaded blue collar thugs who charge a "fortune" to fix the sink or install new shingles.

Citizenship and drivers licenses are a privilege, just like academic tenure or the perquisites of scholarly credentials. To give either away for the sake of ethnic votes or lower wages naturally disenfranchises and angers lots of people.

Both the Republicans and the Democrats have to confess an a priori loyalty (nationality and citezenship) or leave the majority of THEIR people at a Darwinian fate.

 
At 10:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

the Right is the ones with the money anyway

Not anymore. The Democrats are pulling in more Fortune 400 money than the Republicans and Hillary is the overwhelming favorite candidate among defense contractors.

 
At 11:06 AM, Blogger stewarjt said...

According to the Bureau of Census’s latest 2006 data 20% of US households receive income greater than $97,032 per year. According to Dr. Paul Krugman these same 20% of households receive “almost” 60% of all income in the US. So 80% of households earn “barely over” 40% of all income. It appears that for these households “upper class” or “elite” seems a better description than “upper middle class.”

Senator Clinton mentioned the bi-partisan Greenspan commission’s recommendations were accepted and enacted into law to address the Social Security issues in the early to mid 1980’s. Interestingly one of their recommendations was that 90% (not 80%) of all household’s income should be subject to the Federal Insurance Contribution Act tax.

According to older Census Bureau data approximately 16% of US households receive greater than $100,000 income per year. Senator Obama appears to be off on this one though it would be a more equitable distribution of income than the actual were it true.

 
At 4:24 PM, Anonymous pmichael said...

One of the points sorely missed in last night's debate:

The audience was purposely packed with Hillary supporters. This has been confirmed by Las Vegas pundit Taylor Marsh. Edwards was not booed for calling Hillary anything. Listen to it again. That 'Clinton-caucus' audience was INSTRUCTED TO BOO the moment John mentioned (attacked) Hillary by name. That supposedly bad moment for Edwards was carefully orchestrated by the Clinton supporters.

 
At 4:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another review of the debate makes a compelling case that the person who turned in the worst performance in the debate was the moderator, Wolf Blitzer, and that the real losers were probably America's voters.

http://www.counterpunch.org/swanson11162007.html

 
At 6:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember that even at this stage, the media has selected who they will cover, and who they will censor out.. See this story http://www.startribune.com/10215/story/1514140.html
from which this quote comes:"Within the first five months of the presidential contest, the media effectively had reduced the field to five candidates, even though there were 17 mainstream Democrats and Republicans, a study of political coverage found."
I sure would like to hear from Dodd & Richardson, who, imho, are the best of the Dem. candidates...

 
At 6:54 PM, Blogger MonsieurGonzo said...

ref : “the issue... immigration / illegal aliens

the crisis / dilemma for Americans is not illegal aliens; rather, it is illegal jobs.

the irony is apparent when someone says something like, "...they're doing the [illegal] jobs that American [citizens] don't want to do..."

...without stating the revealing qualifiers in those brackets. This (and past) American government is not only tolerant of the 20+ million worker underclass as a result of their conscious policy to neglect immigration law enforcement ~ there must also be a conscious policy of not enforcing legal employment compensation, safety, and ‘fair trade’ practices for the illegal jobs to flourish in the first place.

The danger we face by fiddling with the system is not simply the creation [by amnesty] of de facto second class citizens, but that by doing so we make legitimate the notion that there is this illegal SubSet of jobs within the legitimate economy where neither [American precedent] human employment rights nor due process exist.

They started with the immigrants, and I didn't care because I wasn't an immigrant. Then they hired all the poor people, put them in Company Store-like BigBox systems ~ from which they could not get themselves out of ~ and forbade them from organizing, or receiving health benefits, or earning a living wage; but I didn't care, because I wasn't poor. Then they went after the technocrats and educators' jobs, like mine: but by then, it was too late.

 
At 7:03 PM, Anonymous SanDiego said...

It has now been factually confirmed that the questions were 'vetted' by CNN who exhibited a definite bias in their 'vetting'; it is absolutely amazing to me that the U.S. public is so like sheep and just keep accepting the crap the mainstream media feeds them as 'fact'.StewartJ's comment "It appears that for these households “upper class” or “elite” seems a better description than “upper middle class.” is but one example of how the MSM skews the facts. AND how out of touch Congress -both branches- is with the majority of the U.S. public.
It is -again- time for the concepts of Milt Friedman regarding a 'guaranteed income' be revisited, especially with the previous status of the dollar never to be regained.

 
At 7:08 PM, Blogger Romi said...

One of the questioners during the debate was an American Arab, a US citizen, who asked why American Arabs are harassed at airports. It was an excellent question, and I am amazed that they even allowed it to be asked.

For years the Democratic Party has been dominated by the pro-Israel folks. Perhaps now that American Muslims and Arabs are as large as minority as American Jews, the Democratic Party will begin to try to take this ethnic bloc into the "big tent." Perhaps this is the only way that sanity can be restored to American foreign policy in the Middle East.

I certainly felt, though, that Wolf Blitzer's smooth and ostensibly "professiona;" handling of the questioner was about as disingenous and deceptive a piece of work as I have every seen on national media. You would never know that he used to be a newsman for AIPAC, surely the chief reason for the bigoted, racist and genocidal nature of American foreing policy, and American media treatment of that foreign policy!

He talkes his place right along all the other psychopathic liars that use our tax money to torture and kill Arabs, and dump depleted uranium on their lands!

And the only one up there that really understands that, I fear, is Dennis Kucinich.

 
At 11:13 PM, Blogger Sulayman said...

Gen. Pervez Musharraf at this juncture is self-defeating, and that the Pakistani public dislikes Muslim terrorism and would elect a government that would fight it.

Why Muslim terrorism? I agree, Pakistanis are aghast at terrorism, especially terrorism from violent groups like the MQM (which the US is said to be backing in Pakistan). Pakistanis will say they agree with you on the anti-terror issue, but won't call it 'Muslim terrorism' the same way CNN never labels Eric Rudolph or Timothy McVeigh or VT shooter Cho as "Christian terrorism."

Come now, professor. You're at the forefront of bashing Thomas Friedman (rightly so) for his mistakes like these. Please don't fall into his mistake

 
At 11:43 PM, Blogger Ajaz Haque said...

Barak needed to show his stuff last night, but he missed the opportunity. He will have to work harder now in Iowa & NH to win those primaries so as to stay in the game.

Funny though, after a while all candidates sounded the same in this debate - boring and repetitive.

 

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