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Juan Cole is President of the Global Americana Institute

Sunday, June 08, 2008

The Real Question is, Would a President McCain be good for Women?

A spate of newspaper articles has appeared profiling women activists who are furious that their candidate was defeated and who feel Senator Clinton was disrespected because she is a woman. It is often alleged that they are so angry and disappointed that they will refrain from voting for Barack Obama this fall.

I have been dismayed by the prominence of identity politics in the Democratic primaries. Working class men supported John Edwards, who sprang from their ranks (though I suspect he hasn't had a callus lately). African-Americans swung behind Barack Obama as soon as they were convinced that he had a chance of winning. According to opinion and exit polls, middle-aged and older white women disproportionately favored Clinton.

A successful, progressive Democratic Party has to be based on principles, not on voting for people who look like you. The principles can unify. Everyone needs health care. Everyone needs social justice. Everyone needs peace and prosperity. The general public, including independents and even some Republicans will vote for these principles. In a presidential contest based on principles, Senator John McCain has disadvantages.

But if we admit the principle that people should vote on the basis of their self-ascribed identity, well, people who consider themselves "white" are still a majority in this country. (Whiteness in American history is not a 'natural' given based on skin color; it is a social status constructed over time in people's minds. Irish Catholic working-class immigrants to the US were not considered white by WASPs in the mid-19th century. The Irish had to work hard to get in.)

Republican strategists have long taken advantage of the representational politics of race and gender. Lee Atwater turned Michael Dukakis into an African-American criminal by tying him to a Black parolee who later committed a heinous crime. Message from the Right? Liberal=Black, and not the Bill Cosby kind, either. The American Republican Party is almost completely a party of "whites." Yet Colin Powell and Condi Rice served as Bush's secretary of state. Why? So as to counter by image the sad reality that is so visible on television whenever the Republican convention is held every four years. Bush even explicitly used their presence in his cabinet to sidestep the question of why he had not done anything for African-Americans (in fact his policies deeply harmed them).

A similar but slightly different dynamics of identity politics involves substituting ethnic shibboleths for political reality. Thus, Bush's social policies enraged 85 percent of American Jews, who are mainstays of American progressive politics. Bush attempted to make up for this deficit by supporting the Israeli Right to the hilt in public, substituting photo ops with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and then Ehud Olmert for any engagement with the ideals of real, breathing American Jews. The unfortunate excesses of all the candidates in their recent speeches to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee continued that tradition. If principle were an issue, then the status of Jerusalem would be a matter for international law and the United Nations Security Council. Those speeches were not about principle, but about courting what the candidates think is a single-issue constituency (of course in reality it is not [and it is insulting to think it is].)

But back to candidates. The rule in telepolitics is that a face trumps policy. Does Bush blithely allow the African-American districts of New Orleans to be wiped off the face of the map? It is o.k. because Condi Rice is in his cabinet.

It stinks.

If women who supported Hillary Clinton let themselves fall for this reactionary trap, they will undo most of the achievements of women in the past 40 years.

A President McCain will support Ward Connerly's deceptive campaign against affirmative action, which has been proven to hurt women's businesses and to help the businesses owned by cranky old rich white men.

McCain has an appalling track record on issues of global women's reproductive rights and health. McCain has also steadily moved toward an absolute anti-choice position, as he attempts to appeal to the Religious Right. A President McCain may well appoint the successor to Ruth Bader Ginzburg on the Supreme Court, and his nominee will be anti-choice. The court is nearing a majority of anti-choice judges, and the long dream of the American religious Right, of overturning Roe V. Wade, is in reach for them. A McCain court could overturn reproductive rights perhaps within a year of its formation.

The Right in another country once advocated that women be limited to Kirche, Küche, Kinder" (church, kitchen, children). There isn't anything wrong with any of those, of course. It is the limitation that is objectionable. That limitation is effectively what John McCain's policies lead to. Think about it.

39 Comments:

At 2:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2008/05/obama-clinton-vote-usa-media

May 22, 2008

Hating Hillary: Gloating, unshackled sexism of the ugliest kind has been shamelessly peddled by the US media, which - sooner rather than later, I fear - will have to account for their sins.
By Andrew Stephen

[Sorry, I will not vote for President.]

 
At 2:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What I have understood to my astonishment initially and take now as commonplace, is the extent to which self-styled progressives set about destroying Hillary Clinton in the most intensely sexist of manners. The attempt at destruction was there is the beginning and only grew ever more intense not lessening even when the nomination of Barack Obama was assured.

Simply listening to public radio or watching public television or the BBC, there has been a litany of sexist fierceness directed against Clinton. A former Democratic governor of Virginia a day ago speaking of Clinton as a thug would speak, and on, and on.

Conservatives were never the least concern of mine, self-styled progressives were the concern. I will not forget and along with friends I am not forgiving, because the attacks on Clinton as a woman were attacks on me.

http://warner.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/woman-in-charge-women-who-charge/

June 5, 2008

Woman in Charge, Women Who Charge
By Judith Warner

 
At 3:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No compromise for me anymore, there has been too much meanness by supposed progressives for compromise. Compromise would mean women can be belittled, and women's needs ignored, and that is impossible.

 
At 3:04 AM, Blogger gdamiani said...

In Lebanon and Iraq identity politics would be called Sectarian ;-) Excellent as usual prof. Cole

 
At 3:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"A spate of newspaper articles has appeared profiling women activists who are furious that their candidate was defeated * and who feel Senator Clinton was disrespected because she is a woman. It is often alleged that they are so angry and disappointed that they will refrain from voting for Barack Obama this fall."

* destroyed by pretend progressives

I will not vote for President.

 
At 3:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe that the anger, and the suggestion that some Democrats might go with McCain, is most directly the result of the decision of the operators of the dailykos and huffingtonpost websites to support and encourage hateful and vitriolic posts against Hillary. Markos Moulitsas ("Kos") himself suggested that Hillary was not a Democrat by daring to run against his favored candidate, Obama. The fact that Arianna Huffington and Markos Moulitsas, both of whom run wildly popular websites attracting millions of visitors every day, chose to support and encourage the politics of hate and divisiveness, may be a bed we all have to lie in as a result.

Interestingly, both Markos and Arianna were both previously Republicans. The idea that suggests itself is that these people may have been intentionally splitting the Democratic party by their incitement of anger and hatred on their sites, in order to split the Democratic vote and thus empower McCain.

To some, that may seem ridiculous. I say, look at the big picture and the results of their decisions. Arianna and Markos have, quite intentionally, split the Democratic party. Why would thay do that, if not because they actually support the Republican candidate?

 
At 5:34 AM, Blogger BillyWitchDoctor said...

For the past two elections, "progressives" insisted that the right thing to do was vote for Nader or not vote at all, and to hell with the party candidate. They are not exclusively responsible for the situation we are in now, but they certainly did their part and remain defiantly proud (and vigorously defensive) of their actions.

Hypocrites one and all, "progressives" now insist that we have to all vote for the party candidate, and tar ongoing support for Hillary as racist, sexist, and even anti-semitic treachery--working hand-in-hand in such smears, as they are wont to do, with their mirror images the neo-conservatives.

I think a serious lesson is in order, for the sake of the long-term future of my country and the genuine liberals and conservatives who have been made "middle of the road" by fascist radicals on either side, and I will write-in my vote accordingly.

 
At 5:46 AM, Blogger Christiane said...

Personnally I think that the worst threat isn't that Hillary Clinton's supporters vote for McCain; it's abstention.

That said, I agree with you that the main points are values and politics, not identity. But the medias and the mix of entertainment and politic they push forwards goes in the direction of this identity attitude more than toward enabling seirous political debates.

That said, there is another "identity" figure to which the American public seems to obey and of which you don't speak : it's that the of tough (cowboy) man, that of the commander in chief. All three candidates tried to adopt that identity, Obama not the least.
That attitude is what makes you, Americans, hated by the rest of the world and if Obama gets tied by the need to conform to this image in order to attract electors, there is few chances that he will be able to change either US foreign policies, or the way the US is perceived in the rest of the world. The promises he feel the need to make to its constituency will tie his hands if he becomes president : they will tie him, because they are part of a large US concensus : what most Americans reproach to Bush II is not that the invaded Iraq for oil, it's that Bush was not able to occupy it successfully, that instead of bringing in cheap oil, it destabilized the ME and pushed oil prices to yet unseen heights.

 
At 7:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If women who supported Hillary Clinton let themselves fall for this reactionary trap, they will undo most of the achievements of women in the past 40 years."

Nonsense.

 
At 7:07 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The Right in another country once advocated that women be limited to 'Kirche, Küche, Kinder' (church, kitchen, children)."

Huh???

 
At 7:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Prof. Cole,
Why the snide aside about John Edwards' lack of calluses? Five generations of my family labored in cotton mills but I supported Edwards because he was the most forthrightly progressive on economic and domestic issues. You write eloquently about prejudice. Perhaps you should examine your own class and regional prejudices.

 
At 9:58 AM, Anonymous Matt K said...

As usual, professor, your reasoning is sound. Alas, I find myself wondering whether reason is of any interest to people like Anna Webb, of Pikeville, Ky., whose own "reasoning" goes like this:

"This is to inform you that if Hillary Clinton does not get the nomination, and Florida and Michigan are not fully seated, then I, a staunch Democrat, will be voting (along with everyone I know) for John McCain in the general election. I think Hillary has been treated most unfairly. She should be the one who should have the nomination because she is the only one who can beat McCain. The people from Kentucky and West Virginia will vote for McCain." (Emphasis mine.)

(From NPR.org's Political Junkie column)

 
At 10:50 AM, Blogger js said...

Good work, Juan. You ought to try to get something like this published in a newspaper. However, I fear it may fall on deaf ears. Probably the best person to galvanize the Clinton supporters to vote Obama is Clinton herself.

 
At 11:01 AM, Blogger American Goy said...

"I have been dismayed by the prominence of identity politics in the Democratic primaries. Working class men supported John Edwards, who sprang from their ranks (though I suspect he hasn't had a callus lately). African-Americans swung behind Barack Obama as soon as they were convinced that he had a chance of winning. According to opinion and exit polls, middle-aged and older white women disproportionately favored Clinton.

A successful, progressive Democratic Party has to be based on principles, not on voting for people who look like you."

Lets fix this.

A successful democracy has to be based on principles, not on voting for people who look like you.

It looks like this great experiment, this hodge podge of nationalities and opposing interests mish mashed into a single nation, has failed.

 
At 11:36 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The gender politics of this campaign set women's rights back to the stone age with the childish playground slurs delivered by our news sources. It is a long time between now and November and quaintly I will decide my vote based on any unbiased information I can glean between now and then.

 
At 11:42 AM, Blogger hass said...

Here's a question: David Ignatius of the Washington Post has just sold the movie rights to a fictional thriller he's written involving a military "rescue" of a "defecting Iranian nuclear scientist" (yet another tiresome Cold War paradigm applied to Iran - whose scientists are perfectly free to travel.)

At the same time, he's writing articles in which he casually refers to "Iranian-armed" militias attacking Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan, without an iota of evidence - basically doing his part to ramp up the booga booga about Iran.

Do you think there's an ethical issue of a conflict of interest here, and does the Washington Post have a policy on this matter?

 
At 12:29 PM, Anonymous Tim said...

Granting your main point, the inclusion of John Edwards in a discussion of identity politics is a bit of a stretch. The first thought of a blue collar worker on seeing a wealthy, well groomed, college educated lawyer who looks about half his actual age is not likely to be "Hey, he's one of us."

That he 'arose' (the common verb employed, with all its implications) from a working class background counts for points, but we Left Behind's are well aware that plenty of thoroughly odious politicians share those same credentials.

The point is that to the extent that he attracted working class support (inexplicably, and unfortunately, not that much) it was not because he was of us but because he was for us.

 
At 2:19 PM, Anonymous Mark Konrad said...

Dear Dr Cole,

If you will indulge me one more time I again address this to the angry Hillary Clinton supporters:

Ladies and Gentlemen, you can still vote for Hillary Clinton

Forty-two out of the fifty states permit "write-in" votes to be cast in federal elections. Not "write-in" meaning vote at home and mail it in of course. By "write-in" I mean it’s perfectly legal in most states to "write-in" the name of whomever one pleases for a particular office.

Listed below are the eight states that do not permit write-in votes for President. All other states DO allow write-in votes.

Write-in votes NOT permitted in

1.) Hawaii
2.) Louisiana
3.) Nebraska
4.) Nevada
5.) New Mexico
6.) Oklahoma
7.) South Carolina
8.) South Dakota

Ref Here.

If the write-in procedure is not clearly explained inside the voting booth one of the voting place employees can provide help. It's best to ask first before even entering the booth.

P.S. Hass -- I read that bilge from David Ignatius myself and sent him a couple pieces (1 and 2) challenging his premise that Iran is confirmed to be sending arms to the Iraqi militias. Here is the contact page for Ignatius and below is the eMail address for Deborah Howell, who is ombudsman at the WaPo. I've written to them both numerous times and have never received a response of course. It's likely an exercise in futility but it is somewhat satisfying to let them know their subtly stated subjective opinions are not passing unnoticed.

Deborah Howell eMail:

ombudsman@washpost.com

If you do write to Howell at her ombudsman address you might want to Cc:

davidignatius@washpost.com
david.ignatius@washpost.com

and variations such as d.ignatius, ignatius.david, etc. which used to be the WaPo eMail format. They seem to have changed that a couple years ago though. I've had a few eMails kicked back to me using that format recently but it did work in the past. I can confirm the ombudsman address still works as of a couple weeks ago anyway.

P.P.S. Speaking of Lee Atwater, karma caught up with him for his evil deeds while he was still a young man.

 
At 3:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The comment by Anonymous at 8:55 AM complains about sexist attacks on Hillary Clinton by "self-styled progressives," so I looked at the Judith Warner post that Anonymous links to. But Warner isn't complaining about progressives. She starts out with an anti-Clinton 527 organization named "Citizens United Not Timid." The whole point of this outfit, set up by Republican operative Roger Stone, is to associate the acronym of the organization's name with Clinton.[1]

Warner's next example comes from South Park, a comedy series praised by conservatives.[2]

I don't have the heart to investigate the "nutcracker" Warner refers to, but if Republicans aren't behind it I'll eat my hat.

Warner then turns to the sorry state of cable news. She quotes Tucker Carlson: "When she comes on television, I involuntarily cross my legs." As far as I can tell, Carlson did not say this the way someone admitting an embarrassing personal failing would. He not only has a blatently sexist reaction to Hillary Clinton, but he doesn't seem to see anything wrong with that. It may come as no surprise that Tucker Carlson invites Roger Stone on his program twice a month and refers to him as "legendary Republican strategist Roger Stone"[1]

More examples of cable news commentators follow, but no self-styled progressives are mentioned.

I think that there is sexism on the political left as well as on the political right, and that sexism should be condemned no matter who the offender is. But I don't think that voting for McCain because of occasional lapses into sexism by people on the left makes much sense.

- Kenneth Almquist

Footnotes:

[1] http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/005124.php

[2] http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_dmn_southpark_reps.htm

 
At 3:48 PM, Blogger massminuteman said...

As a friend of mine said, the post-primary period is not really about Hillary supporters going to Obama. It's about Obama supporters getting over themselves.

And it's everywhere in the blogosphere, in every patronizing form.

You may (falsely) see the dynamic as one of identity politics. It is actually one of two different ideological coalitions, but to be an Obama supporter demands a state of denial about it.

Hillary Clinton is the candidate of most hardcore Democratic liberals (myself included) and worked to bring in Republican moderates/liberals, who happen to both be mostly women. It was a campaign designed to appeal to about 68% of the political spectrum, the support of which is needed for real change.

Barack Obama is the candidate of hardcore Left folks (Dean), moderate Democrats (Edwards), and centrist Independents. He got just enough Democratic liberals to prevail. Though his coalition must, of necessity and opportunity, sell out liberals as time goes on. And the maximal span of appeal is about 60%. As liberals get sold out, the campaign will have to appeal to them to support Obama on a lesser evil doctrine.

The decisive group in this campaign were the Edwards voters, the moderate Democrats. They decided they wanted the more centrist candidate for a period of centrism. The fact that it's militant moderacy or militant centrism doesn't change the fact of what it is.

The Obama-Clinton fracas has most of the standard elements of a normal hardcore Left/moderate vs hardcore liberal showdown in the Party. The former is the more Machiavellian. And the less willing to sacrifice, and less able to deliver.

In the end the contest was about a certain amount of reforms and change within the Party mostly and a relatively centrist national policy, and that won. Just barely, and basically on the Southern and Midwestern Party establishments throwing their caucuses to Obama as best they could. Texas was sort of the epitome. Now Obama's so in the hock to the likes of Blue Dogs and other conservatives, he's going to keep on slipping more to center, rightwards. And with the inability to break down moderate Republican resistance (unlike Clinton, who sacrificed greatly for that capability) the change he and his allies can effect is not that large.

I'm betting on an Obama candidacy that continues in its parallels to Carter's. High early expectations, squeaker outcome on Election Day, smaller mandate than pretended, and a Presidency that will be effectual for a year or maybe two.

Clinton represents the hardcore Party agenda since 1968 or so. Its time will come in '12.

 
At 5:38 PM, Blogger Mom said...

I know this sounds harsh but if you loved the last eight years, Stay Home1 And we will get McSame.
If You support What Hillary Clinton was Fighting For, VOTE FOR OBAMA. He will give us what she was fighting for.

 
At 6:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is more of the same brainwashing that has gone on all along (apparently the Left has brainwashing too, and is sexist , phony, and unsubstantial too - not that I didn't already know this). The same brainwashing that will make me, for the first time in my life, either not vote, or write-in Hillary/Feingold. I haven't decided yet. But one thing is absolutely sure. I will not vote for Obama. We had a qualified candidate, and we no longer do. Now we have an irrepairably divided Democratic Party, and contrary to the media rap, it is not Hillary's doing. Just because the media has already elected Obama as president doesn't mean I have to go along with it. The last thing I want is the Left's version of George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan rolled into one. I've put up with 8 years of that arrogant smirk and I don't want another 8 years of deer-in-the-headlights pauses, arrogant smirking, and saying what people want to hear for effect even though it's all doublespeak nothing. And it has nothing to do with me being a "woman voter." On the contrary, the reason Hillary was destroyed, and portrayed as a loser, even though she had a huge amount of success, and exhibited incredible dignity, strength, and intelligence is because she is a woman. Hands down. Only reason. Systematically, and apparently too subtly for the public to notice. Did you hear anyone discuss Obama's "pantsuits"? Just one tiny example.

 
At 7:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/opinion/08dowd.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=print

June 7, 2008

Watch Out, Meryl Streep! She's a Master Thespian.
By MAUREEN DOWD

As Hillary Clinton transforms herself into a team player, she must again fake it till she makes it.

[Will they ever stop?]

 
At 7:25 PM, Anonymous John Francis Lee said...

It's hard to believe we exhaust ourselves with these "Queen for a Day" style competitions called political campaigns.

As far as the political policies of Clinton/Obama there was and is no discernible difference.

But the media have managed to eliminate any discussion of actual policy from the campaign, encouraging people to bond emotionally with the one or the other candidate... just for the "fun" of it.

The result is, of course, another election with no real difference among the R&D duopol candidates which will result in zero change of policy.

"Conservatives" should vote Barr and the rest of us should vote McKinney/Nader or write in Gravel, for instance.

Nothing will change in American politics until we can break the back of the R&D duopol.

As the nation continues its disastrous wars and burns its way through its remaining credit all of this will be moot.

We will find ourselves left amid the ruins with no one to blame but ourselves. Unable to assert ourselves in our democracy we got what was coming to us.

The chickens are coming home to roost.

 
At 7:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I have been dismayed by the prominence of identity politics in the Democratic primaries."

Interesting, from the same person that wrote the "First Web 2.0 Candidate?" post, which was all identity politics. That post was not about policies at all. Saying things like: "In fact, it is obvious that older voters who came of age before the 1965 Immigration Act, before the new multicultural America, often don't get it" or "People younger than 65, and people for whom certain racial categories are not the most important thing in the world, might finally have a voice" when talking about Barack Obama means what, exactly? Practice what you preach, professor. If you are so dismayed by identity politics, than write about policy, not that Clinton dreams about bombing innocents in Iran or that she should drop out because she is tearing apart the part or that those that don't support Obama are old racists that "don't get it", and that Obama represents "metro-racialism".

Or perhaps it should be about identity politics during the primary and then we're all supposed to stop and focus on policies during the general? I'm sorry, but you reap what you sow, and if there is such a focus on identity politics it's because of blogs like yours.

 
At 7:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/print/174941/Tomgram%253A%2520%2520Greg%2520Grandin%252C%2520Is%2520the%2520Monroe%2520Doctrine%2520Really%2520Dead%253F

June 8, 2008

Losing Latin America: What Will the Obama Doctrine Be Like?
By Greg Grandin

An Obama Doctrine?

[I will not vote for President.]

 
At 8:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/5/headlines#3

June 5, 2008

Obama to AIPAC: Jerusalem "Must Remain Undivided"
By Amy Goodman

On his first day as the Democrats' presumptive nominee, Senator Barack Obama traveled to Washington to address AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

"Let me be clear. Israel's security is sacrosanct. It is non-negotiable.The Palestinians need a state that is contiguous and cohesive and that allows them to prosper, but any agreement with the Palestinian people must preserve Israel's identity as a Jewish state, with secure, recognized, defensible borders. And Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided."

 
At 9:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I must admit that I don't see what all the gripe is about. The bottom line for democrats is that either they make amends and follow the leader or pay the price and live under another neo-conservative for four more years. I don't think that its hard to think about a scenario where Obama lost instead and this forum was filled with comments about how he was unfairly treated in media. Both candidate levelled personal attacks and I would say actually that it was Clinton who took the lead in doing so.

 
At 9:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The instant that politics is all about winning and losing, it ceases to be politics. The recent successes of the Republican party have hinged on being able to hold together a coalition in which the factions would accept short term setbacks knowing that, eventually, they would have their day. Simply put, the worked things out and have kept working things out. That's politics. That does not mean they operate by consensus or agree with each other or are rarely at odds over policy.

I don't care how you want to brand yourself. I'm far more interested in what you think needs to be done and why. Me? I don't think we need more wars. I don't think we need a bloated military. I don't think we need a political process dominated by money. I don't think we need economic arrangements that fosters injustice. I don't think we need a government that spies on its citizen and regulates decisions that are deeply personal. I don't think we need the current policies of the Republican party.

I think we need to find a way to work things out and let each other know that we will do our best to ensure that their day will come... and we need to keep that promise.

 
At 9:57 PM, Blogger sherm said...

When Hillary Clinton first ran for the senate in NY I was a staunch supporter. At the time I thought she would be tough, smart and principled, a fighter. These are rare qualities in Washington.

My hopes faded when she became a "me too" on invading Iraq. Then came the ubiquitous presumption that Hillary was going to be the Democratic candidate in 08, years before the primary season began.

It seemed to me that she was not only the prime mover of this presumption, but also became a candidate first and a senator second. There was no evidence of brilliant leadership, or political genius demonstrated in her role as a senator. She was a mediocre among the mediocre, not the best of the best.

As far as I'm concerned, she moved to NY to run for the senate as a stepping stone to the White House, and all her moves were calculated to advance her ambition..

Would Hillary be a better president that Obama or McCain - who knows? But one thing is for sure, the three ring circus we call the nominating and election process is unlikely to ever to give us the best of the best. Those best of the best men and women don't join the circus.

 
At 11:32 PM, Blogger Michael said...

Obama would have gotten nowhere except for overwhelming black support because of identity politics. He's the least qualified of the major democratic contenders. All he can do is make a good speech from a script. His extemporaneous talks are often embarrasing.

So now that Obama has the nomination because he practiced identity politics, it's time to stop the practice?

He who lives by the sword, etc., etc. ... or at least I hope he does.

 
At 11:42 PM, Blogger TheGoodTheBadTheUgly said...

Your comment on three K's of the Third Reich is right on the money.

Tapen Sinha

 
At 12:39 AM, Blogger Thersites D. Scott said...

Reading the first few comments above, I'm astonished, yet again, at how many people confuse negativism toward a woman with negativism toward women. My perception was that 99.8% of all negative comments directed toward Clinton over the past year and longer are not gender specific -- and would have been made regardless of her gender -- but are interpreted by people predisposed to see sexism as being sexist. Examples just from the comments here include someone calling her a "thug" (Anon. at 8:55), "meanness" (Anon. at 9:02), and "that Hillary was not a Democrat" (Anon. at 9:39).

As an employment discrimination litigator for over a decade -- both plaintiff and defense -- I constantly had to advise clients that there's no law against being a jerk, only against being a jerk based on someone's gender, race, religion, age, etc. Not all harassment is illegal harassment, and not all political or even personal attacks against a woman are sexist.

In fact, one test of when women have really achieved equal status will be that men no longer put them on a protected pedestal. When men feel comfortable calling a self-centered female politician "self-centered" just as they would a comparable male, or dissing a female so-called progressive who enables war or opposes flag burning just as they would a male progressive who made similar deals with the devil, then women will have arrived. Nearly all the "attacks" on Clinton were exactly that kind -- proof that women have arrived, and can be criticized for their faults. Those who believe she was entitled to special protection because of her gender are the real sexists, but unfortunately don't seem able to recognize that weakness in themselves.

 
At 10:46 AM, Blogger Tim said...

Those of you desperately seeking sexism as the root of all of America's problems are going to be crushed with paradoxical disappointment when the next female candidate for president does much better than Hillary. You've fallen for a bogus narrative that attempts to explain her failures without acknowledging the most obvious causes - Mark Penn, and Hillary Clinton.

 
At 11:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The so-called horrendous record on women's rights to which you point has no flesh on it. All you enunciate is that McCain is anti-choice. This election has highlighted that there is a lot more to feminism and women's rights than childbirth, just as there is a lot more to marriage than pro-creation (so say the gays). Women have a right to fight for whatever kinds of respect and equality they find most lacking. I'd like to see the men who warn women about the future of Roe v. Wade fight for abortion rights half as hard as Clinton's supporters have. You don't like identity politics? Then don't tell women they have to vote based on an identity issue.

 
At 12:03 PM, Blogger Tim said...

"another election with no real difference among the R&D duopol candidates which will result in zero change of policy."

No real difference? Sounds like someone's been absorbing the media's "maverick" lies about McCain again. Search for the number of issues McCain has completely reversed position on in the last 6 months. The guy's pandering to the extreme right - the people the entire nation has come to abhor. He wants Roe overturned and 3 more Scalias on the bench. As a torture victim he won't outlaw torturing others, and as a former GI he thinks a free ride to college is too generous for their service. He's become just another morally repugnant cog in the GOP machine.

As for policy, Obama has promised to review each and every one of Bush's executive orders for unconstitutionality. If he follows through with that, and given his credentials as a constitutional expert I suspect he will, then there will already be a significant policy change.

 
At 3:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read these comments from people saying the most inane falsehoods about Obama, and I have to wonder what is wrong with them. Everything these anti-Obama folks are saying is outright false, as anyone who has been paying attention to anything but Fox "News" could see for themselves.

I didn't have much of a stake in this primary. I would have been happy with either Clinton or Obama. So maybe I have an advantage in that I'm not dealing with buyer's remorse now that my candidate lost.

But seriously. These same people who referred to Obama supporters as "latte' drinking elitists" are now whining about being vilified by the camp they were only just insulting?

Cry me a river. Then build a bridge and get over it.

If you really are a liberal, and not a troll for the McCain camp as many of you probably are, then you will vote for the democrat in November. If you don't vote for the democrat, then you are a republican, period. And the blood the GOP have spilled the past 8 years, and would continue to spill the next four, will then be on your hands.

 
At 6:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The court is nearing a majority of anti-choice judges, and the long dream of the American religious Right, of overturning Roe V. Wade, is in reach for them."

I don't suppose it occurs to you that it is possible to be pro-choice and to think Roe was badly decided. I know of few conservative judges (including Robert Bork) who would deny the right of states to have as liberal abortion laws as they like--they just deny that abortion is a Federal Constitutional right.

 
At 11:41 PM, Blogger Thersites D. Scott said...

I know of few conservative judges (including Robert Bork) who would deny the right of states to have as liberal abortion laws as they like--they just deny that abortion is a Federal Constitutional right.

Great analysis for a first year law student, silly in the real world. What matters in the real world is whether or not 15 year olds who are molested by their uncles are required, by law or simply by the fact that there are no clinics within 500 miles, to carry to term.

And even legally, you can't have it both ways: if you're going to deny states the right to pass a law of any kind, you've got to find that the Constitution somehow bars it -- which in turn requires imposing a gloss on the Constitution that's not actually in its words. I would have preferred Douglas to use a fencepost metaphor -- that speech, religious practice, assembly, press, search and seizure are points or "fenceposts" on a line or "fence" that the government may not cross, because invasion of some personal prerogatives is simply not within the proper purview of government activity, esp. after the 14th Am. -- but to a federalist idealogue, or to a moral absolutist, there's no formulation that would be acceptable. So I'll take the formulation that's led to the legalization of married couples' right to use condoms, heterosexual oral sex in private, homosexual sex in private, and yes, first term abortion -- and live with it, because it's better than the alternative. In the real world, that is.

 

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