phil daniels- The only reason that comes to my mind is in gratitude for Libya’s supply of weapons, Cemtex etc to the IRA. Unlike Italy, Ireland has no historical links to Libya.
this is a laughable absurdity. the ira and the government of the republic are historic enemies going back as far as the 1920s
hmmmm, im irish to begin with so im guessing maybe i at least know the outline of "the 800 hundred years". the kings mills massacre isnt remotely contested ground. what do you dispute about the wikipedia account? or indeed the darkley church massacre by the inla? or the ethnic cleansing of protestant smallholders from the border regions by the provisionals?
Jeffrey Stewart
"though it’s not a religious conflict"
hard to know how to explain this (link to en.wikipedia.org) merely to pick one incident, other than through the lens of religious conflict.
juan speaks of irish concerns in northern ireland, im not sure what he means but its worth pointing out that people in the republic arent all that bothered with the north. there have been all kinds of survey that show the northern question to be an irrelevancy to southerners. also the dovish sdlp were the main party of the northern nationalist community, the ira were only represented a minority-something like ten% or so i believe
well honestly i've no opinion either way about bill maher, im from ireland so i've never seen him or anything. but from what you say he sounds like an asshole.
javier-firstly i think to be fair i havent attributed this behaviour solely to muslims. nobodies mentioned it but even say japan, as different a country as you could get, has problems in this regard to. i think as long as men exist it'ill be a problem.
javier and kerry seem to be saying that essential there's no difference between the situation of women in their countries and Egypt, i think this is patently untrue. the quotation is from the article aaron linked to-"After a terrorist bombing in 2004 in the historic neighborhood of Khan Al Khalili, myself and two female foreign journalists trying to cover the attack were surrounded by young men who formed a circle around us and locked their arms. Someone tried to unzip the pants of one of the women I was with" now to be fair, as macho and unpleasant as spanish men can be(sorry javier but its true!) can anybody imagine the same thing happening in spain? or was anyone actually that surprised to read that such a thing happened in Egypt?
hmmmm its a problematic one to discuss with out coming off "racialist" 🙂 i think there definitely does seem to be something up with at least a proportion of egyptian men and their attitudes towards women. i mean this is well documented. a man in all seriousness tried to buy my sister for a couple of camels. an extremely attractive friend of mine had to pretend to be married to her brother just because the harassment on the street was so bad. and its not just the personal experience of people i know either. link to guardian.co.uk
"83% of egyptian women and 98% of foreign women experience sexual harassment of some form"
and now before the accusations start. no im not some orientalist bigot. i just think we have to call things as they are. and for once i cant agree with juan, what happened to ms logan is just an isolated incident. it makes me uncomfortable to say this but at the same time i think its unfortunately the truth
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phil daniels- The only reason that comes to my mind is in gratitude for Libya’s supply of weapons, Cemtex etc to the IRA. Unlike Italy, Ireland has no historical links to Libya.
this is a laughable absurdity. the ira and the government of the republic are historic enemies going back as far as the 1920s
hmmmm, im irish to begin with so im guessing maybe i at least know the outline of "the 800 hundred years". the kings mills massacre isnt remotely contested ground. what do you dispute about the wikipedia account? or indeed the darkley church massacre by the inla? or the ethnic cleansing of protestant smallholders from the border regions by the provisionals?
i meant to say the sdlp were the main party during the time of the ira's active campaign
Jeffrey Stewart
"though it’s not a religious conflict"
hard to know how to explain this (link to en.wikipedia.org) merely to pick one incident, other than through the lens of religious conflict.
juan speaks of irish concerns in northern ireland, im not sure what he means but its worth pointing out that people in the republic arent all that bothered with the north. there have been all kinds of survey that show the northern question to be an irrelevancy to southerners. also the dovish sdlp were the main party of the northern nationalist community, the ira were only represented a minority-something like ten% or so i believe
um, thats what i've been trying to say!
well honestly i've no opinion either way about bill maher, im from ireland so i've never seen him or anything. but from what you say he sounds like an asshole.
javier-firstly i think to be fair i havent attributed this behaviour solely to muslims. nobodies mentioned it but even say japan, as different a country as you could get, has problems in this regard to. i think as long as men exist it'ill be a problem.
javier and kerry seem to be saying that essential there's no difference between the situation of women in their countries and Egypt, i think this is patently untrue. the quotation is from the article aaron linked to-"After a terrorist bombing in 2004 in the historic neighborhood of Khan Al Khalili, myself and two female foreign journalists trying to cover the attack were surrounded by young men who formed a circle around us and locked their arms. Someone tried to unzip the pants of one of the women I was with" now to be fair, as macho and unpleasant as spanish men can be(sorry javier but its true!) can anybody imagine the same thing happening in spain? or was anyone actually that surprised to read that such a thing happened in Egypt?
hmmmm its a problematic one to discuss with out coming off "racialist" 🙂 i think there definitely does seem to be something up with at least a proportion of egyptian men and their attitudes towards women. i mean this is well documented. a man in all seriousness tried to buy my sister for a couple of camels. an extremely attractive friend of mine had to pretend to be married to her brother just because the harassment on the street was so bad. and its not just the personal experience of people i know either. link to guardian.co.uk
link to guardian.co.uk
"83% of egyptian women and 98% of foreign women experience sexual harassment of some form"
and now before the accusations start. no im not some orientalist bigot. i just think we have to call things as they are. and for once i cant agree with juan, what happened to ms logan is just an isolated incident. it makes me uncomfortable to say this but at the same time i think its unfortunately the truth