"Didache or Teaching of the Twelve Apostles has continued to be one of the most disputed of early Christian texts". As such how can it be considered in this context?
Pick your poison.....
From my perch in the universe it all boils down to which fork in the road you want to take on this issue. If one is so inclined to put their emphasis entirely on what they consider the only “inspired word of God” which is the Old and New Testament, then there is no real obvious scriptural evidence of the damage to an unformed embryo being a sinful issue.
Exodus 21:22 (and here again we can go with different translations as some later translations express a phraseology to indicate what ever beliefs one wants confirmed.)
“If two men fight and they strike a woman who is pregnant, and her child comes out while not yet fully formed, the one liable to punishment will be fined; whatever the woman’s husband imposes, he will give as is fitting. But if it is fully formed, he will give life for life. “
If the scriptures are not sufficiently authoritative enough, one can then go on to chose which historical Saint, philosopher or church council one want to agree with such as Reference: to the Quinisext Ecumenical Council, which the The Catholic Church never accepted as authoritative, or ecumenical. Another reference made in these replys was the Didache. Again this was a later added "interpretation"…which was rejected and not accepted into the New Testemant cannon. Then moving on to St. Gregory, who says “And among us there is no fine distinction between a completely formed and unformed [embryo] This is St. Gregory and “us” making this distinction, not scripture. And in my world St. Gregory is who?
Lastly I do agree with the commenter Mylegacy who states: Men have spent an eternity(ish) trying to control women’s actions, minds and bodies – with varying degrees of success.
After which I noted in the research that: After the beginning of the Christian era... legal regulation of abortion as existed in the Roman Empire was designed primarily to protect the rights of fathers rather than rights of embryos.
Now that is the interpretation of affairs that I believe is motivating today’s discussion. I as a woman who was faced with a choice declined for personal reasons…not someone else’s “pontifications” recognize this as the “real political reason” for the religious far right trying to reach into a woman’s life.
This is a text which teaches about the foreknowledge of God as being comprehensive and complete.... Gods foreknowledge allows him to elect Jeremiah as a prophet
The current issue being pro-choice for I know of no one actually being gung-ho for abortion, I frequently wrangle in discussions with “Christian” friends the issue of when personhood actually begins. And that is exactly what it is, wrangling…. For one does not have the comprehensive historical scriptural framework at ones fingertips.
This article was a brilliant, non-emotional examination of scriptures, and the historical evolution that clarifies mere DNA does not constitute a person in the Christian tradition.
That Adam was just a material body before he got is soul….that a computer is just hardware until the software brings it to life were points that I will carry in my pocket for future discussions.
"Didache or Teaching of the Twelve Apostles has continued to be one of the most disputed of early Christian texts". As such how can it be considered in this context?
Pick your poison.....
From my perch in the universe it all boils down to which fork in the road you want to take on this issue. If one is so inclined to put their emphasis entirely on what they consider the only “inspired word of God” which is the Old and New Testament, then there is no real obvious scriptural evidence of the damage to an unformed embryo being a sinful issue.
Exodus 21:22 (and here again we can go with different translations as some later translations express a phraseology to indicate what ever beliefs one wants confirmed.)
“If two men fight and they strike a woman who is pregnant, and her child comes out while not yet fully formed, the one liable to punishment will be fined; whatever the woman’s husband imposes, he will give as is fitting. But if it is fully formed, he will give life for life. “
If the scriptures are not sufficiently authoritative enough, one can then go on to chose which historical Saint, philosopher or church council one want to agree with such as Reference: to the Quinisext Ecumenical Council, which the The Catholic Church never accepted as authoritative, or ecumenical. Another reference made in these replys was the Didache. Again this was a later added "interpretation"…which was rejected and not accepted into the New Testemant cannon. Then moving on to St. Gregory, who says “And among us there is no fine distinction between a completely formed and unformed [embryo] This is St. Gregory and “us” making this distinction, not scripture. And in my world St. Gregory is who?
Lastly I do agree with the commenter Mylegacy who states: Men have spent an eternity(ish) trying to control women’s actions, minds and bodies – with varying degrees of success.
After which I noted in the research that: After the beginning of the Christian era... legal regulation of abortion as existed in the Roman Empire was designed primarily to protect the rights of fathers rather than rights of embryos.
Now that is the interpretation of affairs that I believe is motivating today’s discussion. I as a woman who was faced with a choice declined for personal reasons…not someone else’s “pontifications” recognize this as the “real political reason” for the religious far right trying to reach into a woman’s life.
This is a text which teaches about the foreknowledge of God as being comprehensive and complete.... Gods foreknowledge allows him to elect Jeremiah as a prophet
The current issue being pro-choice for I know of no one actually being gung-ho for abortion, I frequently wrangle in discussions with “Christian” friends the issue of when personhood actually begins. And that is exactly what it is, wrangling…. For one does not have the comprehensive historical scriptural framework at ones fingertips.
This article was a brilliant, non-emotional examination of scriptures, and the historical evolution that clarifies mere DNA does not constitute a person in the Christian tradition.
That Adam was just a material body before he got is soul….that a computer is just hardware until the software brings it to life were points that I will carry in my pocket for future discussions.