Who Lost Turkey?
Turkey has been the strongest ally that the United States has had in the Middle East since the end of WW II. The Marshall Plan started with Northern tier states like Turkey and Greece. Turkey joined NATO and was a key player in the American victory in the Cold War. As a secular government, Turkey stood against the rising tide of Muslim radicalism. To the extent that Turkey is moderating its long-term secular militancy, and moving toward fair elections, it may be providing a model for a moderate, democratic Middle East. Its economy is growing rapidly, foreign investment is in the billions. Turkey is in short, almost everything the US could have asked for in the Middle East.
But the Bush administration has, during the past five years, increasingly thrown away this asset, and now is in danger of losing a close and valued ally altogether. It is unclear what US interests are served by this repeated and profound damage inflicted by Washington on Turkey, or what Ankara ever did to us that we are treating them so horribly. (The dismissive treatment in some ways began when the US promised Turkey $1 bn in aid to offset the damage to its economy of the Gulf War in 1990-1991, but then Congress formally decided by the mid-1990s to renege on the pledge. No one has ever explained why we stiffed them.)
The threat of a Turkish hot pursuit of PKK guerrillas into Iraqi Kurdistan is starting to have an effect on Kurdistan's economy and stability. Inflation is high and some Turkish businesses that had won bids to operate in the Kurdistan Regional Authority (KRG) are going back home in fear of trouble. Getting banks to underwrite economic enterprises is getting harder, which could result in a slowdown for Iraqi Kurdistan. This area was the last in Iraq not to be hit hard by instability, but tensions are growing.
Imagine what things look like from a Turkish point of view. Remember that Turkey is a NATO ally, that it stood with the US during the Korean War (in which its troops fought), during the Cold War, and during Bush's war on terror. Turkey gives the US military facilities, including the Incirlik Air Force base, through which large amounts of materiel for the US forces in northern Iraq flows.
First, the Bush administration insisted on invading Iraq and overthrowing the secular Iraqi government. It thereby let the Salafi Sunni and the Shiite fundamentalist genies out of the bottle and created vast instability on the southeastern border. It would be as though a US ally had invaded Mexico and inadvertently unleashed a Marxist peasant rebellion against San Diego. Secular Turkey already felt itself menaced by the Shiite ayatollahs of Iran and by the rising Salafi and al-Qaeda trends, and the US made everything far worse.
Then, the US gave the Kurdistan Regional Authority control over the Kirkuk police force and unleashed Kurdish troops on the Turkmen city of Tal Afar. (The Turks look on Iraq's 800,000 Turkmen as little brethren, over whom they feel protective, and don't want them dominated by Kurds).
The Kurds promptly announced their aspiration of annexing 3 further provinces, or at least big swathes of them, including the oil province of Kirkuk, and including substantial Turkmen populations. Not only was that guaranteed to cause violence with the Arabs and Turkmen, but it would give Kurdistan a source of fabulous wealth with which it could hope to attract Kurds in neighboring countries to join it, a la German Unification after the fall of the Berlin Wall - except that this unification would dismember several other countries.
Then the Kurdistan Regional Authority gave safe haven to 3,000 to 5,000 Kurdish guerrillas from eastern Anatolia in Turkey who have been killing Turks and blowing up things, reviving violence that had subsided in the early zeroes. Despite the US military occupation of Iraq, Washington has done nothing to stop what Turkey sees as terrorists from going over the border into Turkey and killing Turks. Turkish intelligence is convinced that the camps in Iraqi Kurdistan are key to weapons provision for the PKK, and that funding is coming from Kurdish small businessmen in Western Europe.
PKK guerrillas have just killed 13 Turkish troops on Sunday and in the past few weeks have killed 28 altogether. If guerrillas were raiding over the border into the United States and had killed 28 US troops I think I know what Washington's response would be.
The the US Congress abruptly condemned modern Kemalist Turkey for the Armenian genocide, committed by the Ottoman Empire, provoking Ankara to withdraw its ambassador from Washington. I have long held that Turkey should acknowledge the genocide, which killed hundreds of thousands and displaced more hundreds of thousands. The Turkish government could then point out that it was committed by a tyrannical and oppressive government-- the Ottoman Empire-- against which the Kemalists also fought a long and determined war to establish a modern republic. I can't understand Ankara's unwillingness to distance itself from a predecessor it doesn't even think well of--the junta of Enver Pasha and the later pusillanimity of the sultan (the capital is in Ankara and not Istanbul in part for this very reason!)
But no dispassionate observer could avoid the conclusion that the Congressional vote condemning Turkey came at a most inopportune time for US-Turkish diplomacy, at a time when Turks were already raw from watching the US upset all the apple carts in their neighborhood, unleash existential threats against them, cause the rise of Salafi radicalism next door, coddle terrorists killing them, coddle the separatist KRG, and strengthen the Shiite ayatollahs on their borders.
The Congressional vote came despite the discomfort of elements of the Israel lobby with recognizing the mass killing of Armenians as a genocide. Andrew E. Mathis explains Abraham Foxman's intellectually bankrupt vacillations on this issue. Foxman and others of his ideological orientation have been forced grudgingly to back off their genocide denial in the case of the Armenians by a general shift in opinion among the American public, and his change of position may have removed any fears among congressional representatives that the Israel lobby would punish them for their vote. (Turkey and Israel have long had a strong military and diplomatic relationship, which the Israel lobby had earlier attempted to preserve by lobbying congress on Turkey's behalf with regard to some issues. But the Israel lobby is now split between pro-Kurdish factions and pro-Turkish factions, and the pro-Kurdish ones appear to be winning out. Richard Perle & Michael Rubin of AEI are examples of the pro-Turkish Neoconservative strain in the Israel lobby. They are losing.)
In 2000, 56% of Turks reported in polls that they had a favorable view of the United States. In 2005 that statistic had fallen to 12%. I shudder to think what it is now.


57 Comments:
Sir I agree with most of your assesments on this issue. I am from Turkey and I lived in Usa for sometime so I have some real insights on certain issues like these ones. I personally believe that ignorance and arrogance of this goverment reached to highest levels thus causing all these problems with Turkey. First of all I believe that American goverment does not give a sh.t about either Turks or Armenians. For them it is just a matter of opportunity especially for those lobbiest. They could have been lobbying for anyone who pays the money.
In my country there is no hatred for Armenians. If you let people to connect they will find ways to connect and embrace eachother. But I tend to think that some in United States do not want that. Especially Armenian Diaspora. They cash in becasue. I wish that they would visit my country and see the good treatment they would get in Turkey. Trust me being a Turk in Turkey is worse than being an Armenian, Ggreek or American. Those who are minorities or foreigners would get the best treatment compared to ordinary Turks like us. So yes I wish I was an Armenian living in Turkey. Knowing that American goverment would back me up and the support I would get from American goverment would have given me good dreams until Americans find other minorities whom they can use againts friends or foes.
I urge Armenian people to give up trusting western goverments and come talk to Turkish people directly. It would be cheaper solution for you and for us.
Back to American goverment, This goverment consistently aggrevated animosity towards Turkey. They promised alot of things but they had done nothing. But we are the ones who sacrifice in the end. Everyone in Turkey asked Mr Bush to not to attack Iraq, but his arrogance made him blind so he did. Now You live thousands of miles away from Iraq. Countries like Turkey, Iran, Syria, Israel, Jordan etc will pay the consequences of this mess caused by arrogance and ignorace. The fact is that either Usa will leave Iraq or not, the issue bigger than Usa can handle. Thus now it is time for every country to look after for themselves. And That is what Turkey will do. They realized that nothing good will come out of American goverment. Even the most pro american goverment like Akp learned it the hard way. Their noses are bleeding from the lessons they learnt.
The USA abstting the Turks, and the Saudis before them, is good for the region. The end of US presence is getting closer with each day.
Both countries needed the USA to protect them against the Soviets, and in the case of Turkey to help with a desperate economy. The USSR is gone, and the USA does not help economically. Being a menance and a supporter of the evil Israel makes the case against the USA ever more strong.
The Americans are flogging a stupid line: we will let down our allies in the Gulf region. The reality is that the USA is the most unreliable ally possible. In 1990, both the Americans and the British forces withdrew from Kuwait as Saddam's forces advanced despite having treaties with Kuwait. It served their interest to have him invade, and to hell with the Hajjis. Iran cannot hurt the Gulf states, they can now protect themselves, and Iran will be hit by the entire world who need the Gulf oil. A UN resoultion would be had in minutes.
The USA is not needed. Yanks go home! C'mon, get out.
I don't know the details of all the things the US is alleged to have done to Turkey, but from what I've read, the Armenian issue is not quite as you have portrayed it here. The US vote, in the article you linked to, recognises the killings of Armenians (some say 1.5m, not a few hundred thousand) as genocide. It does not condemn the current Turkish people or government for this. It is the Turkish government and some Turks who don't want to accept their country's involvement. Many of today's problems have been caused by turning a blind eye to misdemeanors (or worse) of our "friends". The US certainly did this with Iraq in a big way in the seventies and eighties. Perhaps one day we'll be prepared to deny the Holocaust because a future friend gets upset about it.
maybe i am missing something, but what business is it of the usa's to be condemning anybody for anything these days ? and for genocide ? exactly what is the usa doing in Iraq ? committing genocide in order to steal Iraq's Oil.
the hypocrisy makes me want to puke.
and doesn't the usa congress have nothing else better to occupy its time ? foreclosures have doubled since last year, the economy is swirling down the crapper, the usa is stuck in two qwagmires, threatening a third, etc etc and the usa congress wastes its time ( and usa taxpayer dollars ) with this ??
excuse me, but WTF !?!?!
What is worse than denying genocide is quietly discarding some of the facts. I never tire of telling people that it wasn’t just Jews that were killed at the hands of the Nazis: Gypsies, homosexuals, communists and anyone else who did not conform to the Nazi idea of ‘perfection’ perished by their hundreds of thousands too.
Now I’ll have to start reminding people that it wasn’t only the Turks that did the killing, in fact the foot soldiers were more than often Kurds and that it wasn’t only the Armenians that got killed in the process: Assyrians and others perished too.
Modern Kurdish chauvinists don’t like drawing attention to the Kurdish complicity in the first genocide in the 20th century lest it draws attention to some of the ethnic cleansing done by the two Kurdish family-run fiefdoms collectively known as the KRG today.
Dear Professor Cole
It looks like you might have to add
The Return of the Horsetails
to your reading list. It was recommended as the best introduction to modern Turkish society.
Perhaps then people wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
We are starting to hear stories of people talking about neo-Ottomanism and the Russians selling the Turks Nuclear Power stations.
The turkish Military are seriously divided about whether to buy US Patriot misiles, or the Russian S-400
Best of Breed
SACEUR will not be happy.
Prof. Cole:
Have you stopped posting on US casualties in Iraq? Or has there been a dramatic downturn recently in US deaths?
I always thought your constant humane reminder that this is a very serious war mixed with your analysis was the strongest and most useful part of this blog. Has something changed?
Prof Cole, why can you suddenly be critical to Bush for one of the few things done in his time that were ever right and proper?
1,000,000 Armenian Christians were killed by all Ottoman peoples, those who make up what is now 'kurdistan' and 'syria' and 'georgia' etc all had their hands in it too!
We know that the Armenians were slain as a policy, not as some pogrom by thousands of angry barbarians, this was done by the Sultans Army, and aided by the Sultans subjects.
Would you bat an eyelid if congress passed a bill once more condeming the shoah?
Sadly there are even jews that wont say that what was done to Armenians was a holocaust because then that would de-ioslate their history and would couple it with the idea that holocausts occur more regularly that a 'civilised' man should believe.
Will the Iraqis say that their experience of the last 20 years has been anything less than a shoah.
Recognigtion for any of mans crimes against man is always a good thing, and only the un-enlightened, the guilty would get angry about it.
I expected more from you Prof Cole.
It does not surprise me one bit that the US Congress would force a vote on an issue that happened almost a 100 years ago. If they have the time to waste condemning an ad that attacks a person or what a radio host says then this little act of false nobility fits their character perfectly.
I am curious thouch, have we condemned Japan for the atrocities it caused? Most Japanese, to inlcude my wife, now nothing about the attrocities caused in China alone. Did we ever condemn the attrocities against our own American Indians?
I would agree with a previous post that maybe it is best for the US to just mind our own damn business and deal with issues here at home. I commend Turkey for flexing its muscle and not allowing this adminsitration to bully them into a position they do not support.
What has caused the friction in US-Turkish relations? How about Turkey's decades long human rights abuses in the Kurdish populated area of its own territory? My god, the Turkish military's human rights record is abysmal. And then, how about Turkey's refusal to allow US troops across its borders in 2003 to invade Iraq? We all know you're opinion on the war. However, you're too busy thinking about how the Tuks ponder things and not busy enough figuring out how any administration that had to divert troops from the Med to the Persian Gulf via the Red Sea would feel about Turkey as an ally. In both Afghanistan and Iraq we are now coping with the consequences of capricious British cartographers. The price Turkey needs to pay for its history with the Kurds is the inevitable establishment of the State of Kurdistan - our biggest strategic mistake (out of many) in Iraq has been our blind acceptance of the League of Nations and British invention of the Iraqi nation.
Hi Professor Cole. I definitely am not presumptous enough to think that I know more about Turkey or the Ottoman empire than you do, however I think that characterizing the genocide as having come from the
"Ottoman government," and basically absolving the leaders of the CUP, is inaccurate. Jamal, Enver, and Talat had a lot to do with the genocide and its planning, and also with the founding of the modern republic. Heros often have dirty hands.
Cheers,
Jake
What part does the Kurd's recent announcement of an oil contract with Hunt Oil of Texas play in all this?
With all due respect to all those who suffered at the hands of that nation, Turkey is possibly the *single most strategic country* in the world. It has *always* been a bulwark against Russia's naval aspirations, as long as there has been a Russia. It straddles the route between Asia and Europe. You can see its key role in conflicts going all the way back to the Trojan War.
Alienating Turkey is... what's the word... foolish? naive? profoundly ignorant? suicidal?
Jake:
The Enver junta was the Ottoman government during WW I.
I'm saying that the irregulars who fought the sultan in the early 20s were a different group.
cheers Juan
Prof. Cole, I read the resolution as limiting itself to the Ottoman government, and not the Turkish Republic. There is of course some gray area in that following WWI, Kemal's forces continued to attack Armenians, esp. the independent Republic of Armenia that existed from 1918 to 1920. It ceased to exist because it joined with Communist Russia for protection. Oh and get rid of that "hundreds of thousands" line. That just makes you look ridiculous.
Lastly, I want to address the first commenter. I'm an Armenian. I've visited Turkey very briefly (Istambul and Kusadasi). I enjoyed having tea with Turks, playing backgammon, etc. But that has nothing to do with recognizing a past injustice. So, no Armenians don't hate Turks, not even the diaspora in the U.S. But when you launch a propaganda war directed at denying that MY ancestors were killed because of their ethnicity, well then you'll have to understand why we get a bit miffed.
ref : “Despite the US military occupation of Iraq, Washington has done nothing to stop what Turkey sees as terrorists from going over the border into Turkey and killing Turks.”
In the endgame that is IRAQ, the Kurds must lose. This is not precedent, it is history writ.
There are only two large OIL fields, and i'm sorry but the Kurds cannot have / keep the one they've got: the Turks won't stand for it; and besides, the Sunnis need something. The cards have always been dealt this way ~ history has always been an endgame squeeze-play for the Kurds.
We knew the endgame began after e.g., Patrick Graham,Macleans [09-SEP-07] How George Bush became the new Saddam : the Americans stopped fiddling while IRAQ burned, adopted "the Saddam strategy," ie., (1) choose sides = the Sunnis (after all the Saudis almost demanded we do this); (2) contain, control and disenfranchise the Kurds; and, (3) confront IRAN = the Shi'ites (both ARABIA and ISRAEL de facto demand we do this, oui?)...
...if BADR goes "Iran," and SADR goes "nationalist IRAQ," then split the Shi'ites there and go with the latter against IRAN; fait accompli.
It is all so convenient, n'est-ce pas? The Americans are not turning on the Kurds ~ the Turks = NATO, after all, will do the dirty deed. Precipitate the whole thing with this weird "holocaust" casus belli vote in the U.S. Congress (telling that AIPAC Democrats like Lantos, D-San Francisco, are pushing this meaningless measure, while Mr. Bush and the neocons doth protest too much : Oh, please ~ don't bring your NATO forces into Northern IRAQ ;-)
Turkey's been chomping at the bit for months, and now the Americans have found the perfect way to unleash their NATO-backed (and Israeli Allied) forces, cover the northern OilField = flank. IMHO, we're witnessing the endgame, professor: Abdullah Gül isn't going to close down Incirlik, withdraw from NATO, or abandon their agenda to join the EU!
Far be it from me to say anything on behalf of the Bush administration, but it would be at least fair to point out that it has sought to persuade Congress not to go forward with this foolish Armenian resolution at this time. This is Tom Lantos' hobby horse, pure and simple.
We should remember that most of those involved in deportation of Armenians (like Jamal Pasha) were assasinated by Armenians in Europe after the war. So somehow they removed all the evidence by killing the real witnesses and perpetrators. And Turkish republic was created way later. So technically Turkish republic cannot be hold responsible. Because people who planned and designed the deportation were not part of the republic. Even Ataturk fought all the young Turks later and grabbed all the power. Most of them became ardent enemies of Ataturk like Enver Pasha (And he died in somewhere in asia fighting against Russians)
Regarding Armenian Genocide, I think that issues like these are used by western goverments to whitewash and cleanse themselves. I would have no argument with western goverments who agreed upon Armenian genocide if they would have come out and pass resolutions about the genocides they had committed in the past. You know all your grandfathers brutally killed people of all colors. Americans and Europeans were the worst killers of all time. Remember both world wars were started by so called modern west. I am sure you all can reason yourselves when it comes to wars and killing muslims, africans or asians. So lets all come forward and pass genocide resolutions in our countries. I myself support such bill in Turkey for armenian genocide if everyone starts cleaning their house. I also hope Turkish goverment passes a bill about Indians, Mexicans and Blacks genocides in Usa. Starting of a list of genocides committed by Europeans will be a long list. I do not think I can fit here.
After all this bashing of others I am happy that this resolution passed by the committee. But I wished that the committee would have remembered the Turks killed by that war also. Sad thing is that this will hurt real Armenians living in Armenia because now there would be no way of reconciliation of Armenians and Turks.
It is quite funny and tragic that American goverment and public is passing a genocide bill while fighting 2 wars (trying to open 3rd battle front ) that caused lives of close to 1 million people. Do not you guys think that this is little sick and twisted?
Morally, this is something that should be discussed, but I don't think that now is the right time. Turkey is strategically important to the U.S. Causing them more political turmoil right now is "shooting themselves in the foot". The leader of the House of Representatives in the U.S. Pelosi seems that this resoluton was long over due. The Bush administration has been pushing against this resolution. So it appears that it is a political blunder on many levels. Internationally and Domestic, because it further bolsters Bush's point ov view on the subject.
Maybe it is a backdoor method for Democrats to end the war in Iraq; with the loss of Turkish support, our ability to fight in Iraq will be severely diminished, no?
Anon 5:48, knowing what we know now, don't you think the people and governments who discouraged the United States from invading Iraq were actually doing the USA a favor?
Instead of being upset with the government of Turkey, shouldn't you be thanking them?
Mr Cole,
My own grandmother was a survivor of the Armenian genocide. Her entire family was wiped out. She was rescued by a a moslem neighbor. She told us how the Turks/Kurds went door to door, gathered Armenian men, women and chidren, slaughtered them and threw their bodies into the Tigris river. She said she remembers the river running red for days and weeks. Over a million innocent people were systematically slaughtered. I am not blaming the modern day Turks for what their ancestors did but we owe it to the victims to acknowledge the truth. Truth matters. It is the least we can do for the victims who have been silenced forever.
"I wish that they would visit my country and see the good treatment they would get in Turkey."
How can you say that? An Armenian was recently murdered in Turkey for being Armenian.
I have no hostility for modern day Turks and I have many Turkish friends. But the Armenian genocide happened. The Turkish goverment should acknowledge it.
Dear Prof Cole,
I often respect your views, but not on this one. A genocide is a genocide, and
I see it is about time we call it that.
I would like to refer to this well written
commentary by Andrew Mathis
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2525.shtml
Best regards.
Personally I'm glad the resolution passed. It's about time the genocide of the Armenians was recognized. I say, "Very Good!"
Juan Cole protests that the resolution will create problems between the US and Turkey, and Turkey might retaliate by denying the US the use of airbases for the US occupation of Iraq. And to that I say, "GREAT!"
When exactly did the Kemalist-Ottoman War occur, Professor?
"I urge Armenian people to give up trusting western goverments and come talk to Turkish people directly. It would be cheaper solution for you and for us."
Last time we tried to live next to Turks they killed 1.5 million and displaced 3 million of us.
I wish we all could move on at some point, but not before Turkey stops the propaganda campaign and whitewashing of history.
The idea that the US Congress should abstain from calling a genocide a genocide sounds familiar. Making nice on abominable dictatorships like the Shah of Iran for the sake of the "national interest" has been routine, but how well has it worked out?
Today's Turkish government denies the genocide because the Young Turk regime that did it really wasn't the old Ottoman regime. They had effectively overthrown Abdul Hamid in 1908.
The real relationship of the Young Turk regime to the republican government of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk is that of the French revolutionary government of 1789, a constitutional monarchy, to the Jacobin regime that got rid of the king altogether in 1792.
The genocide was meticulously organized in 1915, beginning in Istanbul on April 24th; it was not a consequence of the empire's breakdown, which beat back the Russians and quite capably resisted the British into 1917.
If the Germans were denying what they did to the Jews as the Turks are doing in this instance, I think very few would think we should shut up to make them happy. There is no doubt that the Americans have dealt very insolently with the Turks in the other ways you mention, but refusing to condone their their Holocaust denial is something the Americans have done right.
It would be best, of course, if the Americans would deal with their own history of genocide, not least that in Iraq right now and since 1991 which has already exceeded the Armenian count. That blindness makes the Americans look ridiculous and hypocritical.
But the cure for such hypocrisy is not to agree to condone both genocidal histories but to call them both what they are. Wouldn't it be great if the Turks would own up to their genocide and stop assisting the Americans in theirs today, and if the Americans would repent of their own while they consider the Armenians?
But now I'm daydreaming - time for bed!
Has the US apologised for the genocide of Amerindians or the enslavement of Africans? America: full of hypocrisy and empty on credibility.
Great post. I agree that the Turks have been hard-headed about this genocide and that the resolution condemning it is just a bad idea.
I'd only add the suggestion that the EU, by making promises it never intends to keep and demanding concessions that it never plans to reciprocate, is doing far more damage to relations between "the West" and Turkey than the US is.
All in all, a lot of foolish policies toward a *very* important country, IMO.
Man, this is like having to tell your girlfriend that her father is a pedophile and has just been arrested, just when she found out she lost her job, has cancer, and needs to go on his insurance. She needs to know, but maybe now is not the right time. But when DO you tell her?
The timing of this resolution is very curious. Turkey has been pushing for cross-border incursions for months but the US has not supported its ally for fear of further destabilization of the region. Perhaps the timing of this resolution is just what Turkey needs to justify its offensive against the PKK and the US can turn a blind eye with this resolution as its excuse?
What most people do not understand is that these kinds of bills is making as if Armenians never killed any Turks, they were the angels from sky. And noone wants to acknowledge this fact. If you look at even American delegation reports back in ww1 you would see that near same amount of turks and muslims were killed within the same area in case you do not believe Ottoman records. So yes when Christians are killed it is genocide but when muslims or non-whites are killed it is just casualty war. Do not you see the
hypocricy here? What about the Turks killed by French, British, Italians, Greeks, Arabs during ww1?
I am all for recognition, punishment and reconciliation of all wrong doings especially killing people in any respect is not acceptable. But Our (Turks) stance on this is that we want West to be honest and not hypocrite about this. We believe that they do not hold good intentions. Especially war time America passing a genocide bill is a joke to me. I would like to see Armenians speaking againts Iraqi war, speaking against agresssions of United States. We do not hear them because they are not interested in condemning wrong doings.
Before condemning others you should start cleaning your own house first. Why is it that hard to see that close to 1 million iraqis are dead? How come such huge number is acceptable to you? Today`s genocide condemners cannot see the genocide happening right in front of their eyes? God knows only the real number that is the result of American agression in last 50 years. If you look at all the major wars in last 50 years you will see that the American goverment and Americans are spearheading all the wars in last century and starting of this century. If you add all the people killed by Americans after ww2 that would make quite a genocide. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq , Afghanistan, Iraq2 and numereous other wars that American goverment sponsored in South America and Africa. Quite a list. And America is passing a bill to condemn killings of people? Wonderful, I am glad to see that there are such good hearted people in Usa.
Ainka,
Maybe you are not aware of the history but Turks and Armanians lived together quitely over a 900 years. What happened was the end tail of ww1.
" Ainka said...
"I urge Armenian people to give up trusting western goverments and come talk to Turkish people directly. It would be cheaper solution for you and for us."
Last time we tried to live next to Turks they killed 1.5 million and displaced 3 million of us.
I wish we all could move on at some point, but not before Turkey stops the propaganda campaign and whitewashing of history."
"Anonymous"
Not to justify his killing but possibly he was the only Armenian killed in history of republic. There may be couple more in last 80 years but there is no systematic planned killings of Armenians in Turkey right now. God bless Hrant Dink for his ideas and his approaches. But please do not make it like Turks were his enemies. We know that Armenian diaspora did not enjoy his views either.
"Anonymous
How can you say that? An Armenian was recently murdered in Turkey for being Armenian."
If Turkey is such a great country, why is it illegal over there to talk about the genocide?
Can anyone answer that?
And Mr. Cole, we have paid Turkey to be our "friend" and ally. (Which is the case with all national friends: you give and take).
It ultimately boils down to this: when it comes to acknowledging truth, do we really need to look at the consequences before making a decision?
- John in Southern California
When an Armenian Turkish journalist got killed by an ultra-nationalist cunt most Turks protested it. However, ultra-nationalism is the norm for Armenians. You cannot even protest convicted terrorists.
Thank you for this post. However, I disagree on your characterization of the events as genocide. Many Armenian genocide proponents continue to spread the misinformation that the Turks were the only ones killing at the time, and that Armenians were simply innocent victims. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Armenians actively collaborated with the invading Russian army, and participated in the extermination of Turks, Kurds and Circassians in major Ottoman cities such as Van, Kars, Trabzon, Erzurum, Erzinjan as they fell to the white army on by one. The Russians on whom they relied, however abandoned them, and their dream for an ethnically pure Great Armenia on Turkish territory was fortunately for us never realized.
The Armenian losses were neither unique nor extraordinary in a vicious war which saw the death of millions of Turkish civilians as well.
Nobody called it a genocide then. Not for the 30 years that followed. And a hundred years after the event, the US house of representatives in a sudden epiphany decides to call them a genocide Why now, why not when they occurred? You certainly had as much knowledge and evidence then, as you do now.
The genocide bill is not as much about the past, as it is about the present. It is a very powerful political tool for Armenians in their present war with Azeri Turks whose land they are illegally occupying. Karabakh and all of its surrounding territories were ethnically Azeri until the war in the 90s, but now you can hardly find a single breathing Turk on those territories - all of them ethnically cleansed from their homeland.
For America to equate Turks with a bunch of Nazis is nothing but a hostile act toward the people of Turkey, and there will be repercussions.
The meaning of the word genocide seems to be in confusion here. Genocide requires trying to eliminate all the members of a group from a certain territory, not the total number killed. Usually this is a minority being eliminated by a majority, as in Rwanda, NAZI Germany, etc. Thus, despite the number of people killed in Iraq and whether it is morally equivalent to genocide, it is not by definition genocide, whereas purposely trying to eliminate a small minority of 1,000 people there would be.
Let us not forget that prior WWI,the British and French wanted Black gold-OIL,they needed it to control the world. The middle-east was owned/controlled by the
Turks.Billion$ of money and arms were funneled to terrrorist groups to overthrow the Ottaman empire.The population was promised freedoms,demockracy and each a country of their own. They help the UK/Frnch terrorise Turkey and afterwards they got screwed.- Got nothing in return but millions dead under British rule and pilage.
Why the USrael government wants the matter brought up now--simple,they want the turks to invade northern Iraq and slaughter the Kurds.Less pests in the future,cause the Kurds arefriendly to Iran and want control of OIL.
Sad part in all of this is that no-one dares to expose who the Young Turks were-----all fanatic zionist jews.They had started/controlled/ordered the killings. Mel Brooks was right.
I'd like to see USA declare the real hollocaust---when England slaughtered over 10 million folks in India or those nice god's chosen folks under Lenin who also ordered millions of Russians killed.
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If only we would stop judging who is friend and who is foe by their ethnic or religious background we would see how silly all of this is - Turkmen, Kurd, Armenian, Jew, Sunni, Shiite, Persian, Arab, Christian, Muslim, White, Black, Brown, Yellow, Red, Catholic, Protestant, Male, Female, Gay, Straight and on and on. We are all just people, most good, some bad, Can't we all just get along?
Maybe the Turkish Parliament should condemn the US genocide of the Native Americans.
Zhu Bajie
I am quite happy to see the administration mess up our relationship with Turkey since that will make the stupid pointless war in Iraq more of a burden to us and more of an embarrassment to the GOP. Everything that can create problems for our imperialistic ventures in the Middle East is welcome, long term. I do hope Turkey gives Rice the finger and invades Iraq and that it shuts out American transfer of war material to Iraq.
My personal view formed after years of reading is that a genocide was attempted against Armenians. But by what current entity?
Nevertheless, a better documented genocide is that of America and before that the British against the Native People of North America. And of America in its well documented genocidal rampages in Latin and South America, either directly or via military clients. America supplied the demographics and the co-ordinates for these genocides. My own country Caanda can reasonably be accused of a slow genocide against its own Native population.
And what about the British and about 10,000,000 Indians who rose up against its occupation?
And Belgium against 30 million Africans. What about France's involvement and America's in the Rwandan genocide - more of a holocaust.
I would also hold Kissinger's notorious "depopulation memo" 200 as a blueprint for genocide and as the legal coverage for its pre-memo activities including that of the Wistar-Koprowski-Plotkin polio experiments against more than 1.2 million Africans in the 1950s. That memo, commissioned by worried American genocidals of the NSC and CIA, was quickly adopted officially by the US government.
Returning to Turkey - America does not need the bases in that country as much since it has more thatn enough in conquered and occupied Iraq. Kuwait and more being set up in Lebanon.
The USI wish to turn Turkey over to their generals after the last democaratic results.
Turkey should follow through and open its archives to an honest, non-USI influenced scholarly commission.
Genocide? America gets the gold, the silver and the bronze.
This genocide-mongering makes me puke. It is in EXTREMELY poor taste. Just what we need: another holocaust industry. Gentiles have been suffering from “holocaust envy” for a long time, and now we’re starting to catch up with our Jewish sisters and brothers. Soon the Armenians will be the proud possesors of a Congressionally-certified genocide. Wonderful. Expect other groups to line up to get their holocausts certified by Congress – the same Congress that is presiding over the ongoing mass slaughter of innocent Iraqis by US soldiers and mercenaries, which Arab community activists will no doubt be lobbying Congress to get recognized as a genocide in fifty years or so.
"Genocide denial is not just the last step of a genocide, it is the first step of the next genocide," said US Representative Brad Sherman. Noble words, indeed. No doubt they are very comforting to the mothers of Iraqi children who have been murdered in the ongoing massacre that Sherman voted for http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/107/house/2/votes/455/ http://www.house.gov/sherman/issues/record_passages/cr_100802b.shtml . Thank you, Representative Sherman. Thank you very much.
Another victory for Congressman Tom Lantos, the Liebermann of the House.
Zhy Bajit[?] got it right about the genocide of the indigenous Americans. In fact our own government, the Senate, has never apologized for slavery.
To 9:46am anonymous poster....nice idea to let moderate secular muslims kill other moderate secular muslims and wash America's hands clean, so America can just take off scot-free after egging on the Kurds and inciting the Turks. Those are classic American "divide and weaken the Mid-East" tactics (it wouldn't be the first time - think sunni-shia). Well, my solution is thus: I hope that America stays in Iraq for years, that nobody else gets involved, and that shia and sunni rebels slowly bleed the American army dry. I am not trying to sound cruel or be funny, but why should the rest of the world suffer for Yankee war adventures? I am sorry for saying it but it is how I feel. That would be the BEST way to teach American hegemonists a lesson - by sending its troops home in bodybags or on crutches, just like in Vietnam - it would spare the rest of the world, whose main concerns are daily bread and butter, from American-run slaughter for a decade or two.
As another empire builder said, "the worse, the better".
Maybe pissing off the Turks will help them reassess their support for American imperialism.
Rather than assuming that the administration is telling us the truth about their intentions, and then wondering why their actions are always contrary to their intentions, we should assume they aren't telling us the truth, and use the pattern of their actions to suggest what their real intentions are. The real question here is: what does the administration and its backers hope to gain by creating strong anti-American sentiment in Turkey, Iraq, and most of the Middle East?
I was racking my brains trying to think why it would possibly behoove the Dems to sponsor a bill recognizing the Armenian genocide. It occurred to me that this would really screw up the US war in Iraq - that's when the lightbulb came on! The Dems are sacrificing the US relationship with Turkey in order to screw up Bush's plans for war with Iraq because without Turkey as a solid ally it would be very hard for the US to proceed with a war against Iran. Bravo Pelosi for thinking outside the box
Much of pre-history probably consisted of slow migrations punctuated by episods of conquest, rape, enslavement, and genocide. When an initial violent wave subsided, some sort of suzerainty or dissolution followed.
Ottoman treatment of the Armenians is controversial. It got Bernard Lewis into one noisy lawsuit a few years ago. The Irish famine, the Rape of Nanking, the Cherokee Removal, the Partition of India, and other events all stir passions. If there were a Kurdish-American lobby in the US, denial of that group's self-determination might also be a hair trigger.
Laura Bush knows better: take up the cause of protest against some oppressive government that has no oil, nukes, or masses of US T-bills, and does not buy much of your products.
Most Turkish trade is with Rumsfeld's "old Europe." It does not gain much by aiding or abetting US initiatives against Syria or Iran.
Settle down everybody, and quit going deep. This discussion boils down to the motives of politicians.
Occam's Razor should prevail:
Reuters - October 12, 2007
Armenian-American clout buys genocide breakthrough
By Mary Milliken
Another lowest common denominator with politicians is their willingness to leverage with the other-side's dirty secrets by threatening to go public or promising to keep quiet. I just searched Google News with the string "Sibel Edmunds". It returned four records.
Plausible reasons for California Dems to be pushing for the resolution, and for the GOP to keep their traps shut about it. What more is needed?
Assuming that, as a great number of analysts have mentioned, the expected number of Turkish troops that may take time-limited military action in Northern Iraq's autonomous Kurdistan Regional Government will not be enough to effectively knock out the PKK's operations, is it true then that Turkey's real target is the KRG itself? In the case that the KRG is at least a partial target, the Turkish government and military would have to expect the likelihood of strategic gains.
(1) Economic. A Turkish attack could shake up Iraqi and international investor confidence to such an extent that the KRG's economy would significantly degrade, undermining their capacity to act independently. According to International Crisis Group reports, the KRG is currently suffering from general inflation, and also from investor skepticism due in part to the threat of Turkish intervention. The KRG and the nearby regions have been struck by increased violence and sectarian tension in such places as Kirkuk, laying the groundwork for an economic slowdown.
(2) Political. An attack, or the very real threat of imminent attack could undermine the KRG's political credibility within and outside Iraq. This could help undermine Kurdish efforts at autonomy and independence. The KRG is butting heads with Iraq's federal government over the Oil Law, and pushing ahead with its own oil deals, causing friction between them and the central government. This tension may be given opportunity to spark into action or moves toward political isolation if the KRG is shown to be weak in the face of external military threat. The KRG is already land-locked and surrounded by wary or hostile neighbours, with its lone friend the U.S. though American aid may not survive past the next U.S. presidential election. Politically destabilizing the KRG could help delay, or prevent the referendum that is constitutionally bound to take place in regions like oil-rich Kirkuk by the end of this year. It could also embolden political and violent resistance from a non-Kurdish opposition that may deem violent action as more effective than political or diplomatic action (a significant portion of Kirkuk's ethnically mixed opposition to KRG annexation seems to view a referendum as a near guarantee of their defeat).
In response to why Turkey's military and government doesn't condemn Armenian genocide since it was committed by the Ottoman empire, usually vilified by the existing leaders: the Asia Times forwards a hypothesis. To quote: "Why the Turks should take out their rancour at the US on the Kurds might seem anomalous until we consider that the issue of Armenian genocide has become a proxy for Turkey's future disposition towards the Kurds."
Thanks very much for your thought-provoking post.
There are no Turkish?Armenian relations.
Turkey and Armenia do not have diplomatic ties for one Simple reason: Ankara has, for more than a decade, refused to normalize its relations with Yerevan, despite the Armenian government’s longstanding and repeated requests to establish bilateral ties without any
preconditions.
Armenia’s Foreign Minister, in a September 27, 2007
letter to Speaker Pelosi, wrote that:
“I regret to say that there is no process in place to
promote normalization of relations between
Armenia and Turkey. Expressing concern about
damaging a process that doesn’t exist is at the
very least, disingenuous. Let me go further. Not
only is there no process, I can honestly tell you that
we have no hope that Turkey will seriously engage
with the expectation of achieving minimal normal
relations as an outcome.”
Further more just because Armenians are individually treated well, as claimed, that does not mean that Turkish people or government express the same views of the past and admit to the mass murder of 1.5 million armenians. I do not understand why the armenian diaspora is targeted as lobbyist whereas the Turkish government hires hundreds of lobbyists worth billion of dollars.
Isn't that what most of these posts about?
THe most recent comment claimed that Armenians are treated better than Turks in Turkey. This is not only false but a flat out lie. Hrant Dink, an Armenian Journalist and human rights activist who exhibited nothing but love for his Turkish brothers and sisters and sought any and all possible means at reconciliation was not only charged with Article 301, but charged as well and then assassinated. His son has recently been convicted under the same law.
Meanwhile, Armenians who went into hiding and after the Genocide are still scared to reveal their true religion and nationality.
As for the Resolution.... The United States has been suffering from a great lack of morality in its foreign policy and the democratic congress is trying to bring Morality, truth, and justice back to America. We cannot condemn genocide in Darfur and human rights violations in Burma if we as a nation cannot recognize the first genocide of the 20th century--a genocide that is denied to this day by its perpetrator. The Holocaust, Genocide in Rwanda, Cambodia and now Darfur would not have occured if Turkey did not get away with its crime and Genocide was recognized for what it was. We are trying to correct the wrongs of history with this resolution...we are trying to put America back on the right track.
Small fact: America's response to the Armenian Genocide in 1915 was not only its first major international humanitarian action but it was the largest it has ever had, raising over 130 million dollars for Armenian refugees and survivors in less than a year. We need to get back to our roots and take back the moral high ground that the Turks have stolen from us through their intense lobbying efforts and threats.
"I can't understand Ankara's unwillingness to distance itself from a predecessor it doesn't even think well of-"
These might help:
http://aramanoogian.blogspot.com/2007/09/legal-remedies-in-claiming-restitution.html
http://www.anca.org/press_releases/press_releases.php?prid=758
Now you are even more informed, Prof. Cole!
Sick bastards..all of them.
http://newssophisticate.blogspot.com/2007/10/george-w-bush-has-invaded-absurdistan.html
George W. Bush has invaded 'Absurdistan'
George Bush has lost his mind. Worse, 76 percent of the populace know he has. Nonetheless the 'resident in the Oval Office' is warning leading western nations that if Iran even attempts of acquiring 'knowledge' of nuclear weapons...there will be 'meaningful consequences'...."World War III".
The man has gone completely off the deep end. Delusional. World leaders Do Not talk about creating the pretext for World War III. This man has a one track mind and that mind is currently being preoccupied with 'World War III with Iran'.
Don't think he won't do it...he is the "decider guy" and he has invaded 'Absurdistan'
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