Pelosi on Republicans: They Like this War
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said Thursday that she has been surprised at the depth of support for the Iraq War among Republicans in the House of Representatives. AP writes:
' "They like this war. They want this war to continue," Pelosi, D-Calif., told reporters. She expressed frustration over Republicans' ability to force majority Democrats to yield ground on taxes, spending, energy, war spending and other matters. "We thought that they shared the view of so many people in our country that we needed a new direction in Iraq," Pelosi said at her weekly news conference in the Capitol. "But the Republicans have made it very clear that this is not just George Bush's war. This is the war of the Republicans in Congress." Asked to clarify her remarks, Pelosi backed off a bit. "I shouldn't say they like the war," she said. "They support the war, the course of action that the president is on." "And that was a revelation to me," she said, "because I thought the American people's voices were so — and still are — so strong in this regard." '
I don't doubt that some Republicans like the Iraq War. It after all got a lot of them elected, and has thrown a hefty part of the $500 billion spent on the war so far to their corporate sponsors.
But what really strikes me about the speaker's remarks is her misreading of the Republicans. She appears to have thought that they had mostly turned against the war in their hearts, and would become allies of the Democrats in ending it. In other words, she seems to have blamed Bush for the war and to have assumed that the Republican representatives would now want to run away from Bush.
But for all the Caesar-like power that Bush claims for his imperial executive, he could not have steam-rollered the country into war if he had not had enablers in the then Republican-controlled Congress.
I understand how one gets to be collegial across the aisle in a body like Congress. That might help explain why Pelosi did not initially believe that her Republican colleagues could possibly be so short-sighted or venal as to actively support the war.
But you just have to contrast the way that the Republicans took power in the House in 1994 with a disciplined plan that shifted resources radically to the Right and took no hostages among their foes. They even dared impeach (in the lesser sense) a very popular Democratic president, as a way of making sure Al Gore never became his successor. In other words, they came to town as ravenous as a horde of marauding Mongols and as mean as a canyon full of rattlesnakes.
Pelosi came to power, in contrast, with a namby-pamby pledge not to impeach Cheney or Bush (and she stiffed Dennis Kucinich, who quite rightly wanted at least to pursue the former). She came to power with no apparent plan to strengthen the key Democratic constituencies or throw resources to them.
And now a year after the Dems took the House back for the first time in 12 years, the Democratic Speaker suddenly realizes that she is facing a phalanx of determined warmongers.
Many (not all) Republicans view themselves as benefitting from prolonging the war. As long as it is still going on, they can't be accused of having lost it. As long as it is still going on, they may yet show a skeptical American public, or at least the part of it that funds political campaigns, some benefit. As long as it goes on, they can hope to postpone the catastrophe long enough so that if they do lose the presidency, it will tar that Democratic incumbent and help restrict him or her to a single term.
And she thinks they want to end the war?
You have a sinking feeling that a small band of nice gentle hobbits is facing off against the Orcs of Mordor, without any magic rings or even just ordinary armament, and without any over-arching strategy.
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The Democrats anti-war namby-pamby naive folks? Are you for real Prof?
Wasn't Mr Gore's running mate who pushed the hardest for the war, virtually dancing in front of the assembled Congress when the vore went his way? Didn't they vote for the war? Haven't they passed all the legislations Bush asked for? Don't they want to keep troops in Iraq indefinitely? Didb't the nice popular Clinton kill more Iraqi children that all what Bush has managed so far?
The Democrats are far more AIPAC infested than the Republicans are or ever will be. A 2008 victory for them would be a bigger disaster for the Middle East than a Republican win. In fact, the only candidates who really want to end the war are Republican.
While there may be some truth that Pelosi is somehow a naive simpleton, the record shows she supported the war, and the sanctions and the war before it and Clinton's war and ..... On the fundamental issues of Empire, she is no different; she might be termed a Liberal Imperialsit, but that's still an Imperialist.
I think it's time to take a new perspective on US policy toward Iraq and Iran: The USG has made war, in many of its manifestations, on their peoples since 1954 for shifting surface reasons, but ultimately because of their hydrocarbons and their proximity to Russia and China. This was drastically escalated into a hot war with the Iranian Revolution and the subsequent attempt to destroy it using Hussein's Iraqi armed forces, which provided the opportunity for the USG to gain leverage with Hussein, who'd been a tight USSR ally. The Iraqi people have been subjected to war for 27 years, about as long as the Afghanis. During that time, USG policy towards Iraq and its people --to gain some aspect of Imperial control of Iraqi resources--was/is pursued by democrat and republican administartions, with disasterous results for the Iraqi people--Millions killed, wounded, uprooted. Only Kucinich has consistently voted against funding the crime that is Iraq, and is muzzled by Pelosi and barred from the Iowa debate because his head coordinator there works out of his home office, which is more ecologically sound and the type of telecomuting promoted by the US Depatment of Energy.
Behavior shows Pelosi to be a Reactionary Imperialist, as are most democrats and republicans. Brush up on your McCarthyism history and you'll find those times not much different from ours.
OUCH.
i'm SO disappointed in nancy pelosi. YO cindy sheehan...YOU GO, GRRL!
or not. obviously cindy is running against nancy to raise issues, and that's a GOOD thing.
we really just want nancy to focus on doing the things that we've empowered her to do...i hope she isn't hiding closet-skeletons or some dang thang.
-neal in long beach
I am not sure that I see Nancy Pelosi as a "nice, gentle hobbit." She has enveloped herself in her own gentile brand of arrogance. It would be one thing for her, as a new Speaker of the House, to begin her position with a touch of idealism. It is quite another, after 3 years of failure, to continue doing what she has always done, thus getting what she has always got. Madame Speaker is an enabler. She has shown neither courage nor conviction. It, thus, comes as no particular suprise that she initially approved of the use of waterboarding. She would like us to believe that she always takes the High Road, when,in fact, she takes the easy way out. The Republican thugs can smell weakness a mile away. They don't see themselves as "colleagues". They see themselves as a horde of Huns pillaging and ravishing at will. Their corruption and callousness is the result of an "any means justifies the end" mentality. Winning is everything. It doesnt matter to them if the rest of the country loses, if thousands die, if millions lose their homes, if the economy collapses. Nancy Pelosi has viewed these thugs through rose-colored glasses too long. I think those glasses have left her blind as a bat.
Smile, Though Your Head Is Aching
"We have to make responsible decisions in the Congress that are not driven by the dissatisfaction of anybody who wants the war to end tomorrow," Pelosi told the gathering at the Sofitel, arranged by the Christian Science Monitor. Though crediting activists for their "passion," Pelosi called it "a waste of time" for them to target Democrats. "They are advocates," she said. "We are leaders."
Pelosi admitted no mistakes and claimed no regrets as she reflected on her first session in the speaker's chair. "I'm very proud of the work of this Congress," she declared.
Pelosi defines leader as one who takes care of the special interests who don't want the war to end.
I'd call that the most subservient follower imaginable, and a betrayal of the people she's supposed to represent.
Pelosi is very proud of the work of the Congress, and the people at the end of whose strings she dances are proud of themselves too.
Pelosi is Public Enemy Number 1.
I find it more than difficult to believe that Nancy Pelosi is a wide-eyed naive believer in the lucubrations put forth by this administration and the Republicans in the House. Very difficult, especially when accompanied by the coordinated efforts of Harry Reid in the Senate with the FISA bill.
The two of them are offering America's head on a platter to King George. What are they getting in return?
Gentle hobbits - No. Underhanded schemers - Yes.
Your comment on the Democrats is well said. Nancy is inarticulate and uninspiring in her speech. Harry is no better. Their message is garbled, their platform out of focus. They lack charisma and gravitas. Republicans stonewall them at every turn. Public approval for congress is in the low 20%. That's why I am skeptical when I hear it suggested that the Democrats are a cinch to win the presidency in '08. As vulnerable as the Republicans are at the moment, I'd give the Dems no better than a 50-50 chance of winning the presidency or keeping their majority in congress.
Or just maybe... and I admit that I can in no way guarantee this, but maybe... she's just engaging in a bit of bullshitting?
In an effort to turn the conversation back around to a more favorable one, e.g. one where party-wide Republican obstinacy is blamed for voters' frustration with congress?
I've no idea whether or not that will work, and again, I'm not certain it's even intentional. But for all her failings, I think you give Ms. Pelosi too little credit by flatly assuming that her expressed bewilderment is 100% genuine.
As a member of the Tolkien Society, I take umbrage to your comparison of Congressional Democrats to hobbits. It's an insult to gentle hobbits.
Sure, they rolled over for Sharky and his men, but when Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin came home and set a spark to them, that's all it took - they ran the bastards out of the Shire.
We had our sparking moment in the 2006 elections. But rather than Scour the Shire, Nancy proclaimed that ejecting Sharky and his men was "off the table." She and Harry Reid became, in fact, just another couple of high sheriffs, apparently because they really liked the size of the feathers in their caps.
The Republicans have a clear and simple understanding of their role as the minority. And that is to do whatever is necessary to prevent the majority from governing effectively. Attack their patriotism, their godliness, their motivation, anything. Collegiality? Cooperation? In a pigs ass! Nancy understands this much better than I. Therefore, I also find that her "surprise" at lack of Republican support is disingenuous.
Politics of Middle Earth, hat tip to Pollkatz:
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"But for all the Caesar-like power that Bush claims for his imperial executive, he could not have steam-rollered the country into war if he had not had enablers in the then Republican-controlled Congress."
No way bush could have done it without the Democrat enablers too - like Edwards and Clinton.
Someone above said that only Republicans want to end the war - not true. Kucinich is a Democrat and he has always stood and voted against this illegal war of aggression.
Nancy Pelosi is a hypocrite, as is DiFi and the rest of the Democratic apparatchik.
My local congressman Sam Farr claims he doesn't support the war machine either, even as he back door funds USAID Programs such as the one that destroyed Haiti's society, through so-called reconstruction funding providing for the embedding of civilian contractors in the Pentagon's military budget.
Murderously disguised pork barrel politics.
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The demos have the majority. With the majority, they can pass laws that would clearly demonstrate their exact 'positions', i.e. ending the war.
The two commonly claimed reasons for not doing so are the fear of a filibuster or the need to have a veto proof commitment of votes. The demos are not forcing either the filibuster or the veto to occur but want them to go away PRIOR to their taking any action. Hogwash. Abrogating their authority shy of forcing the 'opposition' to use their authority is capitulation of their own authority. And their sworn duty to their electorate.
When history looks back at this period of time, it will find virtually no record of action taken against the this administration. Just meaningless speeches and the submission to threats.
No surprise, though. Its not like the demos don't have principles. They show them all the time by the non actions they take.
Or an even more disturbing analogy- the Democrats are the secret agents of Orcdom whose mission is to soak up the resistance, fritter away the energy of opposition and spread apathy, the better for the Orcs to have their way forever.
Quinn, you are very nearly correct in your analogy.
His name was Grima Wormtongue, and his job was to speak poison into the ear of the King of Rohan to keep his nodding on his throne instead of riding to battle.
Yes the Democrats "… soak up the resistance, fritter away the energy of opposition and spread apathy…". But they do much more, and have done for a very long time.
Bill Clinton and Madeline Albright killed as many Iraqis as Bush has to date, give or take a few tens of thousands, destroyed the country's middle class, and set the stage for this obscentiy.
See Ali Allawi, Scott Ritter, John Pilger, Dennis Halliday, and Hans van Spoeneck for example on Clinton and the mass murder of Iraqi children.
Democrats have been the enablers of wars large and small since the days of Tip O'Neil, at least.
Pelosi, as Emanuel, Hoyer, Reid and the rest of the Democratic leadership, is a liar. Honorable voices - Byrd, Feingold and a few others - should not confuse issue. The party as an institution is not on the side of humanity.
Pelosi was asked in a radio interview why she didn't support impeachment and her answer spoke volumes. She wanted to know what Bush had done that was impeachable.
In my civics class, I though I learned that Congress, particularly the House, has the power of the purse. All the Dems have to do to stop the war is to not pass any bills funding it. This requires no assistance from any Republican, including George Bush. Since they choose not to do this, it seems they are complicit.
She's sold out. Really. She couldn't have gotten to be House Democratic leader and not known what she was against.
I agree with Steve. I sympathize with the leadership, because the anti-democratic features of our system -- the filibuster and veto -- do make it impossible at this point to do much of what they would like to do. But they could at least make the Republicans use these anti-democratic tools, making it clear to the American people who is willing to compromise and who wants to obstruct, who wants to do the people's will, and what the remedy is -- elect more Democrats.
Another thing -- I'm constantly reading comments from people criticizing Al Gore for "giving up" in the 2000 recount fight, when the fact is that while Republicans were storming the Miami/Dade courthouse to stop the recount, Democrats -- with the singular exception of Jesse Jackson and some black folks in Florida -- were largely sitting back and watching it all on TV. So while I'm as disappointed as anyone in the performance of the current Democratic Congress, I can't blame them for not having a lot of confidence in their troops.
But I'm afraid our side does have a bad case of Battered Wife Syndrome, and they can't seem to get over it even when the voters hand them a Temporary Restraining Order.
My take on this is a bit different.
I don't think the American people are against the occupation on principle, but only if its cost is too high versus the economic benefits it is (supposed) to bring.
That is, imperialism is accepted as an economic prerogative (as it was, say, during Napolean's time).
Pelosi is against the war, but not against imperialism, and hence gets caught in the analysis of whether Iraq is beneficial imperialism or not.
Great post Prof. Cole; bottom line, the Dem. leadership usually betrays its base while the Repub leadership usually does not. In circling the wagons and sticking together, Dems have a lot to learn from Repubs; the more frustrating thing is that Democratic positions usually reflect the attitudes of Americans as a whole and still people like Pelosi, my dear senior Sen. Feinstein, Harry Reid, buckle when the chips are down. Bush is essentially challenging the Dems to a game of chicken with each war-funding measure, and in spite of having the American people behind them, the Dem leadership blinks first. It's pathetic.
The ongoing occupation of Iraq is not a war, and calling it a war plays into Mr Bush's hand by allowing him to call himself a "war president". This may be Bush's greatest innovation as president - declaring some pissant colonial police action a war, then automatically gaining all the constitutional powers of a war president.
T,
You said,
"...bottom line, the Dem. leadership usually betrays its base while the Repub leadership usually does not..."
My understanding of the situation suggests that the Democratic base is the same as the Republican base, and that base is just those big donors, like the corporations, who provide the campaign cash that the candidate cannot do without. So, the candidate, say Pelosi, will not go against her base. The fact that the D's seem to vote for bills that screw the democratic voters is not surprising, therefore, because the interests of the Democratic base/ corporations are opposed to the interests of democratic voters.
You go on to say,
"...In circling the wagons and sticking together, Dems have a lot to learn from Repubs; the more frustrating thing is that Democratic positions usually reflect the attitudes of Americans as a whole and still people like Pelosi, my dear senior Sen. Feinstein, Harry Reid, buckle when the chips are down..."
Again, the trick must be to get the voters to think that Democratic legislators are on their side, when in fact they are on the side of corporations that push for legislation, and wars, that harm the voters. It is not surprising that Dems cave, they have done this since the 60's at least. They have caved on labor issues, war issues, health care, poverty, and the war on drugs. By the way, it's only some of the population that looks to the Dems for leadership. Any reliance is misplaced.
You end,
"...Bush is essentially challenging the Dems to a game of chicken with each war-funding measure, and in spite of having the American people behind them, the Dem leadership blinks first. It's pathetic...."
Bush knows full well that D's are beholden to the same military/insurance/ whatever corporations that fund the R's, and so cannot risk opposing the war in any meaningful way. They would thereby risk losing corporate support if they did anything to stop the spending of taxpayer moneys for corporate boondoggles.
I used to think we should look to the D's. I was then naive. I then thought they were just spineless when they caved over and over and over again. Then I was discouraged. ...Now it seems that they are just tools out of the same box.
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