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Juan Cole is President of the Global Americana Institute

Thursday, September 11, 2008

On the Seventh Anniversary of September 11: Time to Declare the original al-Qaeda Defeated

The original al-Qaeda is defeated.

It is a dangerous thing for an analyst to say, because obviously radical Muslim extremists may at some point set off some more bombs and then everyone will point fingers and say how wrong I was.

So let me be very clear that I do not mean that radical Muslim extremism has ceased to exist or that there will never be another bombing at their hands.

I mean the original al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda as a historical, concrete movement centered on Usama Bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, with the mujahideen who fought in Afghanistan in the 1980s at their core. Al-Qaeda, the 55th Brigade of the Army of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan under the Taliban. That al-Qaeda. The 5,000 fighters and operatives or whatever number they amounted to.

That original al-Qaeda has been defeated.

Usamah Bin Laden has not released an original videotape since about four years ago. There was that disaster with the cgi black beard. There was the old footage spliced in by al-Sahab. But nothing new on videotape. I conclude that Bin Laden, if he is alive, is so injured or disfigured that his appearance on videotape would only discourage any followers he has left.

Ayman al-Zawahiri, Bin Laden's number two man, is alive and vigorous and oppressively talkative. But he has played wolf so many times with no follow-through that he cannot even get airtime on cable news anymore, except at Aljazeera, and even there they excerpt a few minutes from a long tape.

Marc Sageman in his 'Understanding Terror Networks' estimates that there are less than a thousand Muslim terrorists who could and would do harm to the United States. That is, the original al-Qaeda was dangerous because it was an international terror organization dedicated to stalking the US and pulling the plug on its economy. It had one big success in that regard, by exploiting a small set of vulnerabilities in airline safety procedures. But after that, getting up a really significant operation has been beyond them so far.

In the region, Usamah Bin Laden wanted to overthrow the royal family of Saudi Arabia, and install an al-Qaeda-led, Taliban-like 'emirate' in that country. He wanted to expel US troops from Prince Sultan Air Base, which he considered a form of American military occupation of Saudi Arabia and thus of two of the holiest cities in Islam, Mecca and Medina.

Ayman al-Zawahiri wanted to overthrow the Egyptian government. His Egyptian Islamic Jihad was building cells and capacity for a violent attack on the Egyptian president, just as constituent elements of al-Qaeda had assassinated Anwar El Sadat in 1981.

But the Saudi government has not been overthrown. The US troops are out of Saudi Arabia, so talk has died down about the occupation of the two holy cities, which never made much sense to begin with (there were few or no foreign troops in Hijaz, the west coast along the Red Sea, where Mecca and Medina are located). The Saudi royal family is flush with tens of billions of dollars in oil revenues. It may fall to a popular revolution as with Iran, in the future, but any such instability is unlikely to be led by al-Qaeda. Only 10% of Saudis now say they think well of that organization, and they are the ones who do not think it carried out September 11.

Ayman al-Zawahiri's organization, the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, has been devastated inside Egypt. Most of its cadres were killed or imprisoned. It had had an alliance,since 1980 or so, with the Gama'a al-Islamiyyah of the blind sheikh, Omar Abdel Rahman. The leadership of the Gama'a has broken with the sheikh, and many of the leaders have renounced violence as a political path. They have written and published 20 or so 'recantations' that interpret the Qur'an as commanding peaceful activitsm and denouncing violence.

That is, one of the major unexpected outcomes of Sept. 11 has been to turn one of the major Egyptian fundamentalist organizations into a peace movement.

Everywhere you look, the Egyptian Islamic Jihad is weaker or has dwindled into insignificance.

So if the original al-Qaeda has been defeated, what are the prospects of violent Muslim radicalism?

Terrorist groups are active in four major contexts among Muslims:

1) There are tiny one-off cells (a group of seven acquaintances, e.g., unconnected to any larger organization) among some Muslim communities of Western Europe. They have no real political prospects or import, although they can be briefly disruptive. They are expressions of discontent by a handful of obsessive personalities with Western foreign policy toward the Muslim world. There are also small one-off cells in some Muslim countries, such as Morocco, but so far they are not politically important. These cells are nurtured by the internet and might have dissipated in its absence.

2) There are larger organizations or networks in some Middle Eastern countries that deploy terrorist tactics for political purposes. The radical Muslim movement of Algeria is an example. Al-Qaeda in Saudi Arabia made a push 2003-2006 but was largely repressed.

3) In small territories under what is locally perceived as direct foreign military occupation, organized national liberation movements have sometimes deployed Muslim radicalism as an ideology of resistance and resorted to terrorist tactics, as with Hamas in Gaza, and the Kashmiri and Chechen jihadi groups (Hizbullah in Lebanon had its genesis in Israeli occupation of the South of that country). They are leant greater significance and popular support by the national liberation project, but they are operating among relatively small populations (Gaza is 1.5 million) and are taking much larger occupiers, so that they can be crushed or marginalized over time.

One implication of Sageman's work is that these groups centered on national liberation seldom pose a terrorist threat to the United States. Hamas, for instance, pledged no attack on the US. Sageman found no Kashmiris among the international terrorist groups-- they are focused on their domestic project of liberation.

4) Virtually in a class by themselves are the Islamic State of Iraq in the Sunni Arab areas of Iraq, and the Taliban, whether the Tehrik-i Taliban in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas of Pakistan or the neo-Taliban of southern Afghanistan. The Islamic State of Iraq and similar organizations are called by Washington 'al-Qaeda in Iraq or AQI-- but the groups themselves generally do not call themselves this since the killing of Abu Musab Zarqawi. They have been attrited in Iraq by Shiite death squads, by American military operations and special death squads, and by the opposition of tribal and other local political forces, such as the 1920 Revolution Brigades, which allied from summer 2006 with the US. They operated on a much bigger scale than the groups in 3) and had the potential to control big swathes of territory before their defeat. The radical Sunnis' strategy in Iraq, of targetting Shiites and provoking an ethnic civil war, doomed them, since it left them a small minority toward which the majority was deeply hostile. They were forestalled by their own tactics from taking up the mantle of Iraqi nationalism, and so remained terrorist groups without larger political import.

While the Taliban are broadly unpopular in both Pakistan and Afghanistan, they do have some claim on sentiments of sub-nationalism among the Pushtun ethnic group and so have managed to become political movements and not just terrorist groups (though they continue to deploy terrorism as one tool for accomplishing their political goals). The neo-Taliban in Afghanistan seem to be near to taking Ghazni, which is not so far from the capital, Kabul.

Although the US is worried about the Arab volunteers who take refuge among the resurgent Taliban, they are a tiny element and cannot easily launch international terrorist operations from FATA. NATO is making a significant error if it does not recognize that the neo-Taliban is more than just a small international terrorist organization. Rather, it has elements of a national liberation organization (in northwest Pakistan it is the lentil-eating Punjabis who are coded as the 'foreign' occupiers).

While counter-terrorism activities can be usefully pursued in these three areas, it is clear that the local perception of foreign occupation is part of the problem, and a long-term occupation is likely to exacerbate the violence rather than reduce it.

Here is some support for that thesis. Aljazeera English reports on the Afghan reaction to Bush's announcement that he will send more US troops to Afghanistan. Those interviewed are convinced it won't matter or that it will make the security situation worse, and insist that more Afghan troops are the answer.



It seems clear to me that a combination of sticks and carrots in dealing with the tribes plus strengthening the capacity and efficiency of the local military forces is the only path likely to succeed in the long run here. In any case the Taliban themselves do not pose the threat of international terrorism, though they may give safe harbor to individuals from abroad that do. The focus should be on tracking down and circumscribing the activities of those individuals. Convincing the Pushtun population generally to put up with 70,000 US and NATO troops and with air strikes that kill civilian villagers is a fool's errand.

As for the relative decline of Sunni radicalism in Iraq, it comes in part from a political failure. That al-Qaeda's inability to develop a pan-Islamic discourse and strategy helped doom it is clear from the remarks by Ayman al-Zawahiri released earlier this week regarding Iran.

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Do you have any advice or any words to refute the argument of the theoreticians who claim that 9/11 was an internal action carried out by the Israeli Government?

Al-Zawahiri: My answer: It is enough to reply to this suspicion by saying that it is not based on any evidence. The first side that released this suspicion was Al-Manar Television, which is affiliated with the Lebanese Hizballah. It claimed that it cited a certain website. The objective behind this lie is clear. The objective is to deny that the Sunnis have heroes who harm America as no one has harmed it throughout its history. This lie was then circulated by the Iranian news media and they continued to repeat it until today for the same objective. Perhaps, they guided Al-Manar Television to begin these lies. Iran's objective is clear. It is to cover its collusion with America in invading the homelands of Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I gave examples of this collusion in my recent interview with Al-Sahab under the title "reading in the events." This lie was then repeated by some of the psychologically defeated ones in our Islamic world, whose minds, which were distorted by Western exaggeration, refuse to believe that some Muslims can cause this harm to America. These poor minds have thus far not been able to understand why America is defeated in Afghanistan and Iraq in front of the simple mujahidin, and, in fact, why America has failed to arrest Mulla Mohammad Omar and Shaykh Usama Bin Ladin, may God watch over them, after more than six years of fierce war, during which it used all means of technology, which caused us a headache about its legendary capabilities. Fur thermore, why the power of the mujahidin is growing against it day by day despite this world war that is being launched against them?'


No more eloquent testament to the defeat of the original al-Qaeda could be found than the pitiful inability of Zawahiri to name any genuine accomplishments in recent times save the ability of the top leadership to elude capture!

The Bush administration over-reacted to September 11, misunderstanding it as the action of a traditional state rather than of a small asymmetrical terrorist group. Its occupation of Iraq lengthened al-Qaeda's shelf life. But poor strategy by the Sunni radicals themselvesf brought the full wrath of Iran, the Iraqi Shiites, Jordanian intelligence, and the United States military down on their heads.

"Al-Qaeda in Iraq" is not a reason for the US to extend its occupation of that country, but is rather an epiphenomenon created by the occupation and the political mistakes it made.

My hypothesis is that the relatively high incidence of terrorism in the Muslim world in recent times is associated with two major factors. One is the final tying up of the loose ends of the 19th and early 20th century legacy of Western colonialism in the region (Algeria, Palestine, Ksahmir and Chechnya all have that context). The other is the large scale movement from rural, peasant life to an alienating urban environment. The transition from agrarian to urban society has been attended with great violence and disruptions in other culture regions as well-- consider Germany in the first halfof the twentieth century, or Russia, or China. When the contradictions of the colonial legacy are resolved, and when the urban and demographic transitions are sufficiently advanced, the incidence of terrorism in the region will likely decline. There may be further violence, but it will be rooted in future crises such as the impending water shortage and very high fuel and food prices.

For now, our war is over. Time to come home, and train and fund locals to do the clean-up work.

32 Comments:

At 6:08 AM, Anonymous Frank Mlynarczyk said...

With minimal touching up, this could be turned into an important piece for Foreign Affairs. A new administration needs to understand the fundamental forces at work in the area. Based on their public statements I am not sure either of the candidates do.

Frank Mlynarczyk
Brooklyn, New York

 
At 8:08 AM, Blogger ronaldo said...

While al Qaeda have been diminished, as Prof. Cole describes so well, the US population have paid a high price in the loss of civil liberties in the past seven years.

Patriot Acts, airline searches, code red situations, the massive Homeland Defense bureaucracy , together with phone, internet and mail tapping ...
If Osama is still alive out there he must be impressed by the amount of effect he's had on US civil liberties all in the name of himself.

 
At 8:26 AM, Blogger WRG said...

I am still not convinced that al-Zawahiri is anything other than a PR mouthpiece for the neocons. No one but someone reading from a script would try to assert that the implosion of the Twin Towers, inevitably resulting in the murder of civilians, was a "heroic" act. He's like a comic book villain at this point. So he's probably not real and much of what you assume to be true is probably false.

 
At 8:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a very good essay. It is not too much to say that al Qaeda, as originally constructed, has already been defeated.

I have a few comments, though. First, al Qaeda may have had 5,000 fighters in Afghanistan, but at the time of 9/11 it had only about 400 fully trained and sworn militants. This is according to the Joint Inquiry report on the attacks. Small numbers of militants can be dangerous and deserve to be treated as such. Invading whole countries is not a good response to this kind of danger, though, since it tends to make more enemies than it eliminates. Invading Afghanistan was not justified by the existence of the 400 militants or the 5,000 fighters, but by the Taliban sheltering them.

Second, I think you are too kind to the Bush administration. They did not make mistakes or over-react. They exploited the attacks. Invading Iraq, building bases there instead of bringing order, pretending to have the right of arbitrary arrest and torture on a global scale, arguing that the President has essentially dictatorial authority --- all of it is rank opportunism.

Last, the al Qaeda “brand” does seem to matter. The people in Iraq who adopted it became as viciously oppressive as we would expect from the spirit of the movement. More than anything else, that is what caused the failure of al Qaeda in Iraq. Why does this matter? If people react against oppression when they can, we should not settle for being “just enough better” than our opponents. If we insist on staying in Iraq on the kind of footing the Bush imperialists want, we should expect more trouble. Being momentarily preferable to al Qaeda and general chaos will not give us an endless mandate for occupation. Our next batch of challengers could easily be more politically viable than the al Qaeda agenda has been.

 
At 8:28 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just wondering where Hezbollah in Lebanon fits into this overview.

 
At 9:08 AM, Anonymous Bob Spencer said...

We won? I heard that we are escalating our military build-up in Afghanistan. That means that we are losing, doesn’t it? Isn’t that the place that produces 93% of the world’s heroin? Doesn’t heroin finance Al Qaeda?

Some people that have been doing these wars for more than 30 years say that you can never win unless you recruit the base of support. Hummmmmm---Lots of heroin goes through the isolated and alienated Pakistani ghettoes in the UK. Are the young educated Muslims in Europe no longer alienated and angry and disappointed?

How come Al Qaeda has about 10,000 foreign fighters in Afghanistan, and they don’t irritate people and bomb wedding parties nearly as much as our Air Force.

Just from my relatively uniformed perspective, I would guess that Al Qaeda is building a base while we rely exclusively upon military technology that alienates a base of support.

We need to study it more.

Bob Spencer

 
At 9:25 AM, Blogger Will said...

I really liked the last part of your analysis, where you hypothesize that the rise in Islamic terrorist groups is a by product of increasing urbanization and the shift from an agrarian society to something else, perhaps a "service sector".

I think this is a great avenue for more research, and I'm wondering if you know of any place I could get more information on this.

And I am also in agreement that this has deep roots in the growing pains of post-colonialism.

 
At 10:19 AM, Anonymous Linda said...

The "loose ends" of earlier colonialism may get resolved, but what of the current "entire body" of US imperialism and its rivalry with other imperial countries? All of the actors involved in the middle east are there to get control of the oil. If national liberation movements develop that are free of religious reaction, it would be whole different game. This is something the US wants to avoid at all costs so, they will continue to support religious puppets like Maliki or tolerate death squad activity by militias. Anything to prevent a united front of all anti occupation forces.

 
At 10:53 AM, Blogger tutufan said...

The original al Queda may be dead and buried, but "defeated" seems like a somewhat ironic way to describe them. The effects of their attack live on today, with the US expending many tens of billions of dollars each year in a continued war on an uninvolved country (Iraq) and on massive unneeded security expenditures. They have also succeeded in driving the US to significantly tarnish its good name on the international scene. I suspect that the original al Queda never in their wildest dreams hoped for such a "defeat".

 
At 11:12 AM, Anonymous TCO said...

Makes a lot of sense. Great article. BTW, I'm a "To Hell with Them Hawk"

 
At 11:13 AM, Anonymous Wade "Griff" Griffin said...

The Americans are keeping their fingers, thumbs and toes in the dike with their continued substantial troop presence. The various Arab ethno-nationalist resistance groups, collectively labeled "Al Qaeda" in the West are waiting for the Americans to leave Iraq. Once the Americans are gone I believe the struggle for political dominance and territory will resume. I also believe the Americans are fully aware of this and that's why they're delaying significant military withdrawal until after the U.S. presidential election. Relative stability in the short term obviously favors McCain's chances. W. Bush doesn't care much what happens after he hands off the ball to the next president but he would much prefer the next president to be McCain. Whoever is elected president won't matter much per se to the resistance fighters inside (and some outside) Iraq. They're prepared to wait. McCain would probably leave the American army in Iraq throughout his term, four or eight years, Obama would probably begin redeploying them to Af'stan soon after taking office. The resistance will conduct itself according to the scenario.

I wonder if the Iraqis intend on leaving all those Baghdad concrete barriers in place once (and if) the Americans (ever do) remove their troops from the country. That will be a true indication of the "reconciliation" between Sunni and Shi'ia in any case.

 
At 11:46 AM, Blogger Erik said...

A brilliant, comprehensive analysis. Juan Cole for Secretary of Peace.

 
At 1:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

john, take a look at truthout.org "al qaeda gaining ground" ??? i think it is just wishfull thinking on your part.

http://www.truthout.org/article/911-seven-years-later-al-qaeda-gaining-ground

 
At 1:09 PM, Blogger Syrian Nationalist Party said...

Zawahiri tape either fake or made under cutdody in attempt to foster Sunni-Shia conflict and re-inforce the false notion and blame for September 11 on Alqaida.Bin Ladin is dead long time ago, Father in Law, Sheikh Omar killed him. Everyone in Pakistan knows that fact.

 
At 2:20 PM, Blogger james_speaks said...

But, but, but (sputter, spirt, drool).......

Al Qaeda can't be dead. If Al Qaeda is dead, then the Global War Against Evuuul Terrorism is dead, and if the GWAET is dead, then there is no reason to spend trillions and trillions of dollars paying Haliburton And Other Defense Contractors to fight this war, and the price of crude oil will stop rising, and all the punitive laws that rich people will depend on to keep the masses in their place might appear to be unreasonable and excessive.

No Dr. Cole, you can't possibly mean what you say. Your [satire_mode_on] recklessly UNAMERICAN commentary will soften the restraints upon our unnecessary freedoms and ruin this country [satire mode off].

[satire mode back on again] We need true patriots like Sarah Palin, and her assistant, John McCain, to keep this country safe for big business. [satire mode off again, but not for long, because Bush/Cheney/Rove/McCain/Palin's_sprechwriter/O'Reilly/Hannity/generic_horses_ass will speak again.]

 
At 2:21 PM, Anonymous Helen Marshall said...

Second Erik's comment! And that of anonymous to the effect that the Bush
Administration policies post-9/11 were deliberate, not the result of confusion. We still have a vast amount to do to restore the rule of law in the US, as Linda points out.

I wonder if some of the Foreign Policy Establishment realize that they need a new enemy, hence the sudden ramp-up in activities designed to provoke Russia, and restore the Cold War, with its reassuring lineup of Good and Evil.

 
At 2:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, why are we destroying Afghanistan and attacking Pakistan and allowing Somalia to be destroyed? We already destroyed Iraq, but Barack Obama complains only that more destruction is needed in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Why should I vote for Obama if I care about peace, not that I will vote for Obama?

 
At 2:27 PM, Blogger MonsieurGonzo said...

ref : “The original al-Qaeda is defeated.

President Bush said as much in a public pronouncement on 01-MAY-2003. in my humble opinion, Professor, it is stunning to hear your interpretation, implicit that the subsequent U.S. Occupation of Afghanistan and IRAQ has had anything whatsoever to do with ‘al-Qaeda’, dead or alive; the Muslim peoples, be they Sunni or Shi'ite sects; Israeli "security"; or for that matter all that much ado about OIL, really: whatever the ‘oil deal’, presumed ~ it could never now "pencil" to America's net blood cost / treasure benefit.

Petraeus: Iraq ‘War’ Will Never End in ‘Victory’

indeed, I would go so far as to reason that: The purpose of ‘perpetual war’, apparent, Over There was intended ~ and remains today ~ to legitimize a Unitary Executive government by means of extra-ordinary War Powers, Over Here. Clearly, most American people, (and certainly, the American military / industrial economic engine that employs their labour in meaningless endeavour), could give a damn about the Middle East; I daresay the vast majority of Americans could not find ‘IRAQ’ on a map, or define ‘al-Qaeda’ in any way other than some infantile illusion of that Klingon cultural bogeyman, hiding under their beds.

“The original al-Qaeda is defeated : Who cares? Don't you know there's a War On??

 
At 3:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could someone please tell me which of my rights have supposedly been infringed upon by airport searches, code red alerts, etc.? I am still able to speak freely, assemble freely, worship freely, bear my own arms, petition my government for redress of wrongs, etc., etc., etc. If I wish to I could write a book accusing Bush-Cheney of every imagineable crime and atrocity and the book could be published (and quite possibly I would make a lot of money by doing so). So exactly which of my rights have I lost?

 
At 3:41 PM, Blogger Nathan Dannison said...

Prof. Cole, how can you call the continued occupation and colonization of the West Bank in Palestine, "the loose ends of the 19th and early 20th century legacy of Western colonialism," when it is increasing at an alarming rate? The rate of settlement construction in the West Bank has escalated since the Oslo agreements. Don't dump the horrors of Western colonialism solely on the backs of those who participated in the 19th and early 20th century. It is going on today and it is driving people in the Middle East to murder and terrorism.

 
At 4:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Sageman found no Kashmiris among the international terrorist groups-- they are focused on their domestic project of liberation."

There are very few Kashmiris even in the terrorist groups active within the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir. The most dangerous Jihadi groups there are based in, and populated by, ethnic Pakistani Punjabis and Pashtuns from the NWFP, i.e. the terrorist groups in Indian Jammu and Kashmir are *precisely* the international terrorist groups.

It, therefore, follows that placing Kashmir as the same category as Gaza or West Bank is flawed. Even otherwise : are Palestinians in Gaza or West Bank citizens of Israel ?

The international terrorist groups (with their well-known epicenter in NWFP and Afghanistan) have simply exploited political frictions within Jammu and Kashmir to try and impose a violent Islamist agenda on the region, something completely contrary to the syncretic and tolerant religious traditions prevelant there.

 
At 5:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"For now, our war is over. Time to come home, and train and fund locals to do the clean-up work."

I agree completely, but Obama has been and is insisting on war in Afghanistan and Pakistan; not to mention support personnel in Iraq and another 100,000 soldiers in general.

 
At 6:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bush secretly approved orders in July that for the first time allow amerikan special operations forces to carry out ground assaults inside Pakistan without the prior approval of the Pakistani government

Pakistan's top army officer said Wednesday that his forces would not tolerate amerikan incursions like the one that took place last week and that the army would defend the country's sovereignty "at all costs."

oh stop it please, pakistan !! you make me laff too hard and i hurt my ribs !!

 
At 6:22 PM, Blogger druu222 said...

Ronaldo - I am a fence-sitter who does not yet know how to judge the Bush Adminstration overall. I wonder of you could help me out.

Can you tell me SPECIFICALLY....

a) What effect the Patriot Act has had upon you personally.

b) How, other than removing shoes, your airline searches are more than they were in 1999 (remembering that it is the sheer volume of fliers these days that slows TSA down more than the searches themselves.)

c) How "Code Reds" (virtually never yet called by DHS) have interfered with your life, or Code Yellows for that matter.

d) How the placing of various buraeucracies under the DHS unbrella has harmed you.

and

e) Who specifically (names not needed, but descriptions of people) that YOU personally know that have been wiretapped, arrested or privacy violated since 9/11.

f) And for good measure, (not mentioned by you), anyone whose freedom of speech has been interfered with in any way, shape or form since 9/11. (Being made to 'feel bad' by what you may have said does not count. I mean stopped from speaking by the power of the state.)

I know what I see on TV. That is not an answer. Anyone who can chime in with ACTUAL life events that happened to THEM on these fronts, please do.

 
At 7:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In an unusually strong statement criticizing the usa for sending commandos into Pakistan to kill women and children, the chief of the Pakistani Army said that his forces would not tolerate such incursions and would defend the country’s sovereignty "at all costs."

the chief then stamped his feet and held his breath.

 
At 10:11 PM, OpenID montjoie1095 said...

Interesting, but I have a couple questions or suggestions to improve it. First, seems to me you have to admit, whether Bush overreacted or not, that taking the actions they did has brought about the victory you claim. You can quibble about details, but not the end result. Second, 'extending the occupation' is not, as I understand it, being done solely because of AQI but for multiple reasons having to do with everything from getting infrastructure up and running to helping an infant democratic state take its first steps and develop internal security that it can rely on. Third, and related, even were it "time to come home," do you really mean packing up immediately and leaving things to fall out however they may without any military power in the area to affect events? I guess that last comment really is a question; can you expand on what you mean by "time to come home?"

 
At 10:28 PM, Blogger Stephane MOT said...

Your title should outline even more the word "original" in order to prevent misunderstandings.
Your message is "the threat has evolved", and certainly not "Mission: accomplished".

This election is about change indeed. While McCain claims the "us vs them" / "good vs evil" Bush heritage, Obama fully understands how XXIst century requires a change in the way we apprehend the World.

In a network society, you cannot lead with a "yes / no", "on / off" approach : you only severe vital links.

In front of the new and improved al Qaeda franchise, you cannot succeed with the same methods.

And the worst is McCain knows it too. But he is now working for the fundamentalists who run the White House.

Once again :
George W. Bush never acted as a President of the United States for the good of his country.
George W. Bush never acted as a Republican in favor of his party.
George W. Bush always acted as a fundamentalist in favor of fundamentalism.
Fundamentalism fuels fundamentalism, and the Bush administration deliberately worked for the proliferation of extremism worldwide.
The failure in Iraq was the aim of their sick game.
And I'm sad to see how John McCain pledged allegiance to this bunch of madhatters.

 
At 11:44 PM, Blogger super390 said...

druu222 -

That's not how fascism works. It works by fear of the unknown multiplying among the population. What you said applies to the Third Reich; the average Gentile non-Communist German in 1941 could have said that he had nothing to fear from his fuehrer, and yet the possibility that he was being spied on would restrain his judgment over the madness into which his society was falling. By the time Hitler or Stalin or the East German Stasi could be said to have affected everyone in a society, it was already too late.

And Bush is going after the same levers of power, and he has already collected plenty of information on anyone who's made a long-distance phone call.

Now you might recall (though our media was afraid to say it) that FEMA functioned well enough in hurricane situations before it was made part of DHS, so I'd say all the unprecendented suffering and harmful policy seen there was a result of DHS' attitude that natural disasters were trivial next to terrorism, and perhaps an attitude that this Democratic city in the Republican South deserved what it got.

Most of all, my country is going broke due to policies that would have been unimaginable before Bush and 9/11, that went unchallenged by a media and Congress cowed by fear, and I will pay for that, as will you.

 
At 12:58 AM, Blogger druu222 said...

Super -

Except I can turn the same ideas you speak of back on you! WHO here is speaking of "fear". Who here is pointing the finger at "that horrible person" and "his horribel people"... booga booga booga! (Nazis, no less.)

I think your Katrina analysis is incorrect and a digression, I could do six paragraphs on it , but it is way off topic. (And the Feds have done just fine in Iowa and LA in the past year.)

So I return to my point. Bush is almost gone. There is a reasonable chance Obama will suceed him. When that happens, let us go back to those very questions I asked....

WHO was harmed by the Patriot Act? Will YOUR airline TSA experience be any different in 2010? (No, it won't, count on it.) HOW did DHS's cute little color codes actually harm YOU (each individual). WHY is the existence of DHS inherently anything more than a bureaucratic re-org? (Ten paycheck bet that DHS will still be here four years from now, Obama nonwithstanding.)

And, most importantly, pertaining to all of the above and the last two of my questions...... WHO HAS ACTUALLY BEEN HARMED BY THIS? Whose rights have been violated by these specific policies? Speech or privacy. Who? Who? Don't talk about theoreticals, there is a reason that courts do not address theoretical questions. Bring them (and me) a CASE. A real person.

I believe you can find a FEW, and I believe that when you find those very very few in a nation of 300 million, you will find a majority of us who look at THAT CASE and say, "Yeah, I'm OK tapping into Mustafa Kamal when he calls his brother in Yemen, given some shady acquaintances of his in the past, etc. I get the reasoning."

We live in the real world, and this is why whenever things like FISA get to Congress (Democratic, no less!), they usually "cave" to the President. They know what their voters are saying.

So again, who here has been harmed in the real world, not in your sociology class, and just who here is using "fear" (of "fundamentalists", etc.) not just today, but has been for much of the decade.

'Sarah Palin'! Nazi! BOO! AHHHHHHH!)

Please.

 
At 8:34 AM, Anonymous Scott Corey said...

Just to be of assistance, I will respond to the post suggesting more study on the connection between political violence and migration to the cities (also, post-colonialism).

Karl Deutsche would be the intellectual that really made the point about change, rather than poverty, being key to creating fertile ground for social movements, some of them violent. Breaking old ways of life makes people "available for alternative identities."

You could also look at the (much more readable) The True Believer, by Erik Hoffer. He stresses the "marginal man" over the truly impoverished as the source of militants. Compare that to the famous LA Times profile of Mohammad Atta, leader of the 9/11 attacks.

Thanks to Prof. Cole for raising that perspective.

 
At 3:35 PM, Blogger Andrew said...

druu222- I thought I read that a lot of the gitmo detainees turned out to be innocents not even engaged in hostilities against the u.s. A few old men and children turned in for bounties among them. What do I know? That the debate has been about whether they deserve due process, etc. So, no, I don't personally know any of those who have been tortured. Does that make it okay? What about those who protest at events such as the Republican convention. Even journalists and bystanders are subjected to police riots. You are not allowed to protest such events even if your charges are eventually dropped. Again, I don't personally know Amy Goodman but does that make it okay? I haven't been touched yet for reading this blog yet I have to pay 3 times as much for gasoline as our credit markets spiral the drain. I'm not confident that the 2000 and 2004 elections were conducted in a democratic manner.
Basically people who play by the rules, don't call Yemen, and implicitly know not to engage in protest around situations deemed sensitive by civil authorities, these same people may feel untouched as of yet but may suffer from a general decline of way of life and economy, even a degradation of spirit and intellect.
Does this matter to you?
Maybe eventually we will all be hauled off to prison or engage in even more dystopian futures or maybe our country will rally to a more responsive government with more integrity, that will improve the economy once again, etc.
Why do either of these possibilities make it okay to lie our way into wars with crony contracts, torture, and just create a climate of fear where basic principles can be ignored?

 
At 11:04 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice article from one of the very few sane people still found among us, "the most civilised "we"".
Terrorist's threat has been hyped out of proportions & obviously to some intended ill aims. Seems we, Americans are too gullible, to the extent of being ignorant. We are ditto heads to crooked media & the likes of Limbah, O'rilley, Daniel Pipe etc etc.
We do not have time to think because we are too busy in beaches, drinks, games, music, dating, ....
Yes, Osama or who ever did 9/11, has done immense damage to us in terms of money, lives, freedom, perpetual fear in our minds, creating HLS beuracracy...
MTT

 

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