In Romney’s own cousin, R.B. Smith, own words Smith tells of Romney intentionally targeting Muslims to curry favor with hardliners. Quoting Mitt’s cousin “his (Mitt's) alarming rhetoric was nothing more than crass manipulation, a conscious effort to grab headlines by provoking fear and uncertainty. Worse, his actions subjected many peaceful, law-abiding Muslims to ridicule, scorn, and suspicion.”
If Romney is wanting MKE off the terrorist list, does it mean Romney is planning, should he get in the White House,an attack Iran? I fear this is the case.
I read "How the Irish Saved Civilization" by Cahill long ago, and our home has an extensive library of books. I do understand. Except, today's use is also well sprinkled heavily with psychological warfare.
It appears to have become a common technique in conflict or in domination to degrade women, often with other women aligned in or behind the carrying out – it Is not a purely male act. In military conflicts, as seen often in Africa, Middle-East, and elsewhere women have been the target of degrading acts to break the spirit of the people.
In the middle-east rape often has been used as a weapon of war, using the beliefs of the people to further traumatize a people. Example: The belief in some nations fathers or brothers must take the life of a female in the family who has been sexually assaulted. Intentional rape is done to cause further trauma and further fracture the family unit and cultural society. Rape becomes an intentional military strategy, using peoples religious beliefs against them.
To a less obvious degree, the same has been done in the U.S.
Sexual humiliation was strongly introduced by Mitchell and Jessen as part of their tortures programs
I attempted to post my experience in 6th circuit federal court in early 2000s. I was asked if my son was going to join the Taliban, after the case brought was toss and the Federal Judges at the appeals court mocked Detroit Federal Judge Boreman.
This is not a surprise, it is systemic and measured. I grieve because there so few honest people found in our country. Our courts were quite corrupted before the bill and anything needed could and would be rammed through the courts systems.
Kelly Ayotte, New Hampshire Senator, endorses Mitt Romney and introduced by Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H. the Defense Authorization bill would roll back torture prevention measures. Ayotte is Mitts guy.
I agree the chance is NIL. But the bill on rolling back any blocking of tortures was introduced by a heavy backer of Mitt Romney’s from N.H. Romney has many of the torture supporters on his staff, and Romney himself is in support of enhanced tortures.
I probably should clarify when I wrote” The law is clearly meant to protect illegal activities” – this is referring to illegal activity by the politically connected in Washington D.C. and in our states.
Peer group alliance within a profession; be the profession is in law, government, etc. in the background there is peer group bonding which does occur within aligned people. As far as speaking out and not going along, this has to do with the level on ‘moral judgment’ the individual has attained or developed.
The next is the ability of the individual to speak out – meaning the method they feel they can use to speak out, who they should align with for protection should they speak out, or will they have to boldly go it on their own should they reveal a problem, corruption, wrong doing etc. In the latter case they may decide to speak out.
The other event which happens within groups is the ‘bully’ or the manipulator will do is, they will edge out any individual they feel has integrity and bring in people into the group which can and will compromise. Forming a core group which is difficult to remove, next they will attach people they can use to carry out attacks on their ‘target’. ( the individuals the core group wishes to expel or silenced).
In our family, my children and I have suffered deeply because of people willing to mob and align as cover-ups were instigated by corrupt parties.
Torture is meant to send a message to others to be very afraid so opposition is suppressed – especially the enhanced Mitchell and Jessen tortures which were developed. These tortures were find conducted in Utah Prison of which, several the prison administers went on to abuse children within their own Mormon Church wards in Utah.
Psychologists were removed from the positions within professional groups which did not agree with enhanced tortures, replacing them with ones which would. Agents within federal agency who spoke out, or did not agree with Mitchell and Jessen’s tortures were marginalized. Again this is part of the core peer group edging out people of integrity and is seen across the board in a multitude of arenas.
It is not just that they (the congress and leaders in Washington) are bought and paid for Juan, some of the ‘authoritarian politicians’ are mired deep into corruption, and the ties extend beyond political party.
People have been viewing our political parties like children view the outside world as black and white and one side good and one side bad, when in reality both sides are linked.
As mentioned in my earlier post, for my kids and I we have been living a nightmare in Mike Rogers (R) county with linking extending to his closest of family friends and alliances - all because of information I knew, and those involved wanted suppressed. It has been a personal tragedy however, it is one that any American could face if they know the ‘wrong’ information.
It is not only the "Plames' or higher profile people who have been targeted.
This is a frightening situation. We have iving in a nightmare in Mike Rogers County (R), the head of the Congressional Intelligence Committee, where there has been blatant corruption, civil right abuses – and even suffering break-ins, where there were incriminating documents were remove documents and attempted to be removed, I personally worry about the direction of our nation and the wisdom of our national leaders.
If Rogers is any example of quality of national leadership this nation is in for a great many problems.
The law is clearly meant to protect illegal activities than it is to protect Americans, once we lose our civil rights it will be near impossible to get them back. For us it has been a personal one, but American’s are teetering on the brink of finding themselves in a similar situation.
And Countywide mortage , Mozilo, donated the legal maximum of $2,300 a piece to former Republican Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, the National Republican Senatorial Committee ($8,980)
The Romney family has many questionable alliances and loyalties, most are not in the best interest of America, or Americans.
As one who has had years of personal experience with the Romney family, they are a family liberals, conservatives and independents should be most concerned over. If most American realized and knew of the Romney families entanglement they would be very fearful Mitt gaining access to the White House.
The problem may not be creating such a source, but keeping it legal.
It is illegal to encrypt radio communications in the US. I understand in China, Russia and Iran and open source is illegal, the next hurtle would be keeping it legal in the US.
There are many area's of 'civil rights', invasion of privacy, wrongful search, American's should be most concern about.
!. Karzai is reassuring the Pakistani’s he is first and foremost their ally it is important for him to do, because Pakistan could make his more life difficult if they felt threatened.
2. Regarding the Taliban Karzai is trying to negotiate with the Taliban, so why wouldn’t he make a comment like that.
3. America has not exactly done a great job in reconstructing Afghanistan. Example we paid for a truck from an American supplier, who in turn went to the Russians and bought an second hand soviet era truck that never worked and sent to Afghanistan.
People who express themselves in word one may not like, does not mean they are insane.
Karzai may not be insane,but being a typical politician.
MEK is the group presidential hopeful Mitt Romney wants off the terrorist list. Mitt likes the political ‘cult’ MEK. Guess, “political cult” doesn’t need the politically correct “high demand group” word for a ‘cult’.
Mitt Romney must want to start WWIII with Iran. If Iran gets destabilized the region will also become destabilized putting Turkey will also be at risk. Mitt needs to realize Iran is not Iraq.
There are two events which have happened which are oddly similar to spy movies and has been a topic in our home in past months and days.
The Next Man (1976) Sean Connery movie is oddly similar to The murder of al-Mabhouh is striking similar to the plot in Sean Connery’s Movie the Next Man.
‘Mahmoud al-Mabhouh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_al-MabhouhMahmoud Abdel Rauf al-Mabhouh (Arabic: محمود عبد الرؤوف المبحوح; ... Police in the Emirate of Dubai, where al-Mabhouh was killed, allege that it was ... The Dubai police state that al-Mabhou was drugged and then suffocated with a pillow. ..”
And the current alleged hit on a Saudi diplomat is oddly like “Burn After Reading made in 2008.
Is someone getting their inspiration from old Hollywood Movies?
" founders of the extremist John Birch Society." FBI head Hoover disapproved of the John Birch Society and felt they were doing damage to actual investigations into communist subversion.
The Koch family were working with Communist Soviet Union where they were making their money.
"Here’s a troubling thought: do you really think it would be a good idea to give a President Michele Bachmann or a President Rick Perry the authority to kill American citizens at will and with no due process?" ----
I would be worried about a President Mitt Romney since Mitt has the torture people on his staff.
“Talking Points Memo: Michele Bachmann’s has Lebanon’s Shiite Hizbullah hooking up with Castro’s Communist Cuba.”
This is Jeff Flake, Arizona. Jeff is backing the Mitter for POTUS who is the one in communication with Cuba and pushing to open up Cuba for American trade in Washington D.C., Wally Hilliard (no doubt another Mitt backer) travelled several times to Cuba, reportedly with a sack of Rolex watches, assisting a certain organization wishing to buy a ten thousand acre cattle ranch.
“A State Department official is being threatened with losing his job for linking to a Wikileaks cable at his blog.” --- Ridiculous repeat ridiculous
“Len Levitt looks at the evidence unearthed by AP that the NYPD has illegally placed Muslim-Americans under domestic surveillance“--- The pentagon lunches appears to be a good place for surveillance for terrorist, since terrorists are invited.
“P.Z. Myers: In a new book, Stephen Pinker argues that human violence is declining rapidly over time.” -- Historically, human interaction has been violent – at least if one is referring to physical violence. I disagree human violence is declining. If one thinks about psychological violence, bet they would find it is on the upswing in human society.
@Yusuf, I agree I puzzle over the aversion to a safety net for our nations people. Many now, are even willing to throw our elderly out into the streets and seem to feel people in difficult straights are there due to their own actions, not seeing it can be the actions of others which put them in a tenuous situation.
I struggle with our view of our nation sometimes. Reading history on early settlers in America, they traveled, moved and settled with their community. German’s moved into new territory with their community, the Irish and Scottish did the same, and later other ethnic communities stayed close to one another. They look care of their community members and took in orphaned children into their homes.
Stores and business were run by people in the community for the most part, not an invisible corporation. The early settlers didn’t like the Virginia Company and rebelled against it, and didn’t like British soldiers sent to stay in their homes.
People do not seem to have an overall sense of community in America, unless they are bound by corruption and some kind of exploitive behavior. Our nation has sunk to the lowest types of behaviors, instead of striving to be better people.
The encouraging of people in distress to harm themselves has happened in several American cities. Not long ago in San Francisco.
Our American families have broken down, even in rural communities. In America it is not only hostility, but for amusement, many of our people seem to feel life is a video game.
Nel, it probably comes from reports Blackwater (XE) trainees are on the ground with the rebels, the mercenaries are from Dubai and the Libyan rebels are routing their oil to Dubai, where Eric Prince when into exile and is training mercenaries.
Something has been brewing for years, about five years ago an Italian mob boss was arrested for an arms deal involving million arms from China, Type 56 rifle, to some Libyan officers, that would be arming one in eight Libyans.
Disagree with #8 It probably had less to do with France and Britain being worried about Islamic radicalization and more to do with Gadhafi history of supporting the IRA and a pro-independence movement in French New Caledonia.
“This theology of Israeli infallibility”, people’s belief systems are at time difficult to penetrate, but…
A reminder of the story regarding Israel garnering God’s wrath and sent exiled into Egypt, takes the view of infallibility away. A wall is difficult to tear down, when the wall is built on privilege, elitism and feelings of superiority no matter where it is found.
I hate to break it to you, their are people linked to the liberal side who are involved also.super390.
It is not as simple as, yuck conservative and the liberal side is without a blemish. A wise man said, "two wall hold up the same roof." When the worst hits, ones rose colored glasses come off. It is not as simple as in your post super390
Ayn Rand – it is correct Rand appealed to self- centerness and the greed of the rich, the greed setting the rich against the poor. Her influence is greater reaching than this, she also appealed to the selfishness within people and within families. Ayn who was raised under the banner of the Soviet Union, grew and come to America and taught American’s how to be self-centered and greedy. From life lessons - selfishness in nurtured in people from many walks of life and many political viewpoints. Americans as a whole appears to have become self-centered people, and many appear to have been unknowingly influenced by Rand’s views.
Perry’s background is interesting, he was once a democrat and supporter of Al Gore then changed to a republican.
I realized some may not like Perry, and people will have options to vote for or against him; however, I must admit taking some delight in seeing Perry’s announcement in South Carolina, and what a “slap in the face” it must have been to Romney. For a few of us who know well the dangers of a Romney reign – Romney complete with his many advisors linked to enhanced tortures and abuses; it is a welcome sight for entry to anyone who can knock Mitt out of the race, and hopefully knock Romney out of his last chance to run for POTUS, few realized the full danger of Mittens.
Myself, I cannot get the picture out of my mind, of a handcuffed and stuffed into a squad car Mitt Romney representing America as our president; or the foul mouth Mitt Romney going off on officers during the Olympics in SLC. Or, Romney who could not tolerate a lone protester against Mittens having a rodeo at the SLC Olympics; surprisingly the protester was set-up as a terrorist.
“Americans bending over and taking it” -- American’s have been conditioned to take it. Americans have a few additional issues in our nation the Middle East is not facing currently. The Middle East is unique in a quality America lost a generation or two ago, the Arab countries have stronger family and community ties to one another. America lost its sense community where people knew each other and many of American families are fractured – American’s are disenfranchised and have developed a ‘me’ centered mindset.
Another reason, and some may disagree with me, is the American church community. The Quakers had strong influence in the abolition movement and the women's suffrage movement. The rise of the Civil Rights came from black church leaders and within black churches. The rise of the Civil Rights movement did not occur in only one generation. The talk of black civil rights had been groomed and nurtured for many generations within the black church community. The church system focus now is on two issues, abortion and gay rights, and has for the most part stayed silence on issue of the shrinking middle class and other important issues. Karl Rove has done a fine job of manipulating the American church leaders and pulling at the strings of their members and pastoral leadership, keeping the focus on two issues while others slide by without notice.
Maybe the fear of challenging the political group which is perceived as having, and has worked hard to state they represent and are the protectors of ‘family values’, when in reality some of the people in the higher levels have damaged the family. American’s listen too much to people’s words, and not their actions, they are lulled away and seduced by cunning political power brokers and power hungry politicians.
"You used to come up with phrases like ‘the family of the house knows what is going on in the house than anyone outside."
Thank you for posting this Mick. The statement is most true.
There are many intertwined deceptions and power players at work. The American people have been deceived for sometime, and eyes wide open do not know what has transpired in the recent past - they couldn't have, only a few were aware, at least on some serious issues.
Russia’s position should be seen for what it is, which is backing the Bashar al-Asad regime. The reality is there probably are not more views within the United Russia Party and they will not back Mikhail Margelov expressed view. Russia will listen to their experts on the Middle East instead of to Mikhail Margelov, especially with what is going on in Libya; Russia will not want to lose more influence to the west.
Syria purchases massive amount of arms from Russia, and Russia economically needs Syria for their defense industry.
The issues of tortures are not in the past, and not exclusive to Bush and Mubarak, but also the people who developed and over saw the tortures carried out. Civil trials are appropriate in the United States and not military tribunals; we are a republic of laws. The purpose of a military tribunal is to get around those laws and undermines our government.
If one looks at the current crop of presidential contenders, in particular Mitt Romney, one will find support for a policy of torture, as well as many of the people involved in the development of the torture polices under Bush, are found among Romney’s current advisors.
Even in the Obama administration, people are still disappearing into black holes. The kill capture policy is still carried out in Afghanistan and elsewhere.
Eric Prince in Dubai has violated the Neutrality Act, as well as violating requirements to obtain permits from the State Department before providing the training of foreign nations. Eric Price and former members of our American special forces are providing training in Dubai, which probably includes techniques of torture. The fact Prince is doing this is without permits, indicates Prince could be selling the current trade craft of our special forces to Russia, China, and who knows who else in Dubai, putting our soldiers in jeopardy if there is future conflict.
Shahid Shahid, if my other posts are read, my feeling are he was ripe for recruitment,and questioned a possible Serb influence due to some of the associations he has claimed, as well as, places he stated he visited.
Not to get too spooky, but there is mind manipulation, it is real and some people fall prey, or are victims to it. Breivik seemed right for recruitment to me.
In looking at Breivik’s actions and attack on the Labor party, do not under estimate his relationship with his parents – both were active in the Labor organization. Breivik’s father a former diplomat , who had many unstable marriages, one before Breivik’s mother, his mother and another relationship which came one within a year after his birth - this one lasted it appears 12 years, then another relationship. And Breivik’s father stopped seeing him at 15 because Breivik was caught doing graffiti. Ignoring, excluding, minimizing, marginalizing and demeaning are all methods, and they are methods.
It would be interesting to know what type of graffiti he was doing – political, artsy, etc. But at this point this appears to be the turning point in his life. He did not like his mothers’ second husband, an officer in the Navy who he claimed was a pervert because of his step-fathers many trips to Asia for prostitutes.( was this for under-age children?)
There is the appearance from reports, he had a growing resentment inside him which he projected on others (meaning middle-easterns). This is a young man who was struggling for his identity. This type of damage can be done through a bad series of experiences, or it can be something done with intentional malicious purpose - with an end in mind. As far as ‘demonizing’ , or de-humanizing a person, or a group, this is a weapon of political leaders – and at times there is little difference between and religious leader and a political leader – some leaders wear both hats, even if one of the “hats” is hidden from public view. To ‘demonize’ another has the objective of rendering the party helpless - by picking up added voices as the attacks build in a crescendo leaving the ‘target’ also unable to have their voice heard - in essence defenseless.
Sometimes there is a man (men) standing behind the curtain, manipulating while being unseen.
It is a good question what causes people to follow people who 'demonize the other'
People mobbing others happens all too often, in the religious communities, in the our own communities, and sadly in families. If one is referring to 'white sheets', there are people have never worn them, but are as cruel and abuse as any.
Sometimes I think there are people who have in their nature the ability to abuse, and somehow these personalities find their way to each other. -
They have been trying to do social security in since long before 2001, some have been trying to do it in since its inception.
The argument between Bush and Cheney shows Cheney was out of place, he wasn’t president and acted beyond his powers , he was VP president. Cheney did this nation no favors.
Warrantless wiretapping is the baby of Michigan Congressman Mike Rogers of Brighton located in Livingston County. And Mike’s warrantless wiretapping was found illegal by Judge Vaughn R. Walker.
Mike also voted..... YES on removing the need for FISA warrants for wiretapping (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, required warrants.}
Below is a blog piece on Mike Rogers the creator of wiretapping in the Patriot Act
Mike is a former FBI Agent, he worked white collar crime detail in Chicago and it looks like Mike’s experience with crime taught him well on how to commit them. Livingston County, which Mike’s family dominates –( Mike has a brother serving in the Michigan State legislature, his father a heavy influence in Brighton, and his mother dominated the Livingston county GOP), there is enough of corruption in Livingston to keep any white collar detail busy for a long time cleaning it up and is found though-out the county system. Alberto Berlusconi could come to the county and they would make him a member of the county board and his behavior with young women would qualify him to become a county judge --- he would fit right in.
The best way to tackle the issue is Washington is to remove the people from office who are part of the problem, starting at the local and state levels and Michigan has its work cut out for them in removing people from both sides of the political spectrum -- "two walls hold up the same roof" -Khalil Gibran, as folks in Mike's Livingston county are very much aware, but are still hiding under the bushes in hopes no one figures it out.
Many years ago I was able to buy a book titled “Abraham and Sari”, it was a wonderful novel and beautifully written.
(and yes, the jealousy between Sari and Hagar was keenly seen) I was puzzled why it had been quickly removed from the market by the publisher. However, woven into the fabric of the story was a political leader, who refined the use of faith to control the population, to the point he created his own ‘religion’ and he, of course, was the anointed one.
We need to think hard on ...
The use of ‘faith’ by political leaders has been use, well since the beginning of time, it has been used. It was used in Ireland, when cunning rulers moved competing Scot’s on to Irish land, then sometimes the other way around, Irish on to Scottish lands – fully knowing and wanting conflict to stir up between the true- believing Catholic population and the true- believing Protestant populations.
The result in this conflict between the two competing groups of true-believers was the rulers would obtain their objective, which was more land and added power, stirring conflict was the method of obtaining this end.
I was at a meeting awhile back, the speaker was a Protestant man from the US who was working in Ireland to bring about peace between the Irish Catholic and Protestant factions, walls were built to divide the communities of true-believers in towns in Ireland, he recounted a day when the young of Ireland, both Catholic and Protestant walked through the streets holding hands, and spoke of his hopes for a peace between the Catholic and Protestant groups on the Emerald Isle one day.
Maybe it is time people stop wanting their ‘belief’ to be right, and learn to be good, kind human beings and grow wiser to the manipulation of political leaders.
“The group is hosted by an English Protestant, joined by an English Christian atheist, a French Catholic, a German Christian atheist, a Dutch Christian agnostic, a Greek Orthodox, a Russian Christian atheist, a Norwegian Protestant (presumably Breivik himself), a Serbian Orthodox (“by proxy, location: Monrovia, Liberia”), while unable to attend were individuals from Sweden, Belgium and a “European-American.” Breivik does not reveal anyone’s name”
“There were only 5 people in London re-founding the order and tribunal (1 by proxy) but there were around 25-30 attending in Balticum during the two sessions, individuals from all over Europe; Germany, France, Sweden, the UK, Denmark, Balticum, Benelux, Spain, Italy, Greece, Hungary, Austria, Armenia, Lebanon and Russia”
So, what is a German Christian Atheist, a Dutch Christian agnostic, and a Russian Christian atheist? Must have been a Russian who converted after the fall of the Soviet Union and quickly became an atheist.
This young man was recruited by someone.
My interest was peaked when RT quickly intervied one of their own who knew Breivik, Breivik visit to the Czech Republic for arms, and Breivik views on Serbia.
Reading Breivik background saying his father a diplomat in London last night, the thought came that Breivik father most likely was left on the political spectrum, given Breivik broke off relations with his father. The year he broke off contact with his father is interesting, (given in the article linked below), as more details emerge on Breivik background a better view of this man will emerge. Right now, he looks like he was good material for recruitment during his late teen-age years and twenties.
“Breivik said both parents supported Norway's centre-left Labour Party, which he viewed as infiltrated by Marxists”
What Serbian war criminal lived in Liberia in around 2001-02? If he was a Serbian he was probably a mercenary, and in Liberia at the time, there were South African companies.
Two possibilities which need to be looked at 1) Was this a plan by the Serbia’s to hit Europe to cause problems 2) Was this a plan abandoned by the Serbia’s (or someone else) and this Breivik just kept it going. Breivik had money to buy/rent his organic farm, and to buy supplies, also a connection to get a police officers uniform.
The first possibility above needs to be seriously looked in. The next question did Breivik really go and met the people he said he did, if he did meet with them -- back to questions one and two in the above paragraph, if not he has an emotional issue, but Andersson the head of the Union of Russian Communities in his RT interview indicated no emotional issue with Breivik during their association, except for some girls turning him down on dates.
“The 32-year-old Norwegian said it was the NATO bombing of Serbia in 1999 that "tipped the scales" for him because he sympathized with Serbia's crackdown on ethnic Albanian Muslims in Kosovo.”
Might possibly explain Breivik association with Andersson the head of the Union of Russian Communities wounder what Breivik thought of the Russian-Muslim confrontation in The Caucasus.
I hope my last comment submmitted wasn't deleted it goes with this one.
Union of Russian Communities in Sweden head Ulav Andersson, gave interview on Anders Behring Breivik on Russia Today. Andersson was acquainted with Breivik; however, Andersson does not explain how he knew Breivik other than they knew each other one summer and worked together for a while afterwards.
Breivik also went to the Czech Republic to obtain an Ak-47 and Glock hand gun ( a very bad Hungarian made plastic handgun), hand grenades and an RBG, Breivik posted this on his online account. http://www.radio.cz/en/news#2
Regarding Breivik religious beliefs:
“Another significant event was being baptised into the Protestant church of "his own free will" at the age of 15. More recently, however, he had expressed his disgust at his own church. "Today's Protestant church is a joke," he wrote in an online post in 2009. "Priests in jeans who march for Palestine and churches that look like minimalist shopping centres. I am a supporter of an indirect collective conversion of the Protestant church back to the Catholic."
And appears to have had a good education –“ Raised in Oslo, he is reported to have attended the same Smestad primary school as Norway's crown prince”
--If my correction was approved maybe the rest of my post should also have been approved. The shooter does not appear to like Protestant churches by his statements. Remember Norway, it was said, was supporting the UN into Palestine; correct me if I am mistaken. There more influences in at play in the world right now and some realize, it is best to gain more information on the shooter – people need to keep their wits about them.
It may be best to learn more of Breivik before coming to any definite conclusions.
Yes, they are going through the same process of cultural assimilation, and part of the assimilation is getting blamed for things the culture didn't do.
The Muslim faith will face the same internal challenges in America, other close cultural groups faced and that is of their children wanting to be more like the society around them, and there will be a peroid of family conflict - a sandwich generation where children challenge the rules. This is common in all groups. Be patient with you children as they grow up in a world differnt from the world their parents and grandparents came from. And gently remind your Christian brothers-
The Protestant Reformation was backed by the Muslims. It is a part of history too.
I think I need to get my book done, the people in Michgian need a new view point - and a true one this time.
the American Christian Community "should" not be manipulated by Karl Rove designs and return to the basics, and the rest need to take a breath before passing judgements -- there are many forces at work in the world today.
OK, my long, long post did not get approved. However, this is still an important issue --
Another issue slipping under the radar is the radicalization of lower income men in general. In Europe there is a large group of the working class which can be poetically recruited and has progress into elements of the middle-class. When this happens there is usually an upswing in violence, as seen in Imperial Russia prior to 1910’s, and a pervious in the sport hooligans which at one time was a working class phenomenon and is now middle-class.
If ‘radicalization” does not become politically violent, the violence is over other issues – like their soccer team losing, in this type of environment they are going to gravitate to anything violent and their politics is basically irreverent because they will gravitate towards anything. If it politics, it will usually manifest itself opposite to whatever is in power, which in Northern Europe it will be radical right, in Southern Europe it will be radical left, or it can take the form of religious, or racial violence.
In my reading the next area of bias will be between the educated and under-educated and not necessary along racial lines. Maybe some of this is seen in it's beginnings in a class struggle beginning to rear its head.
And yes, I do wish a broader view of racial bias expressed would include the bias which flourished in the north.
"power brokers US Political Landscape and has vast Control on Christendoms Foreign Policy" it is important for people in the middle-east to realize some of these 'power brokers' have cause pain in the lives of non-arab's in the U.S., once people -- any people -- find they have power and can abuse they do.
Settlements that have developed “since 1967 and until-now” and continues to grow, this is an injustice and the cause of conflicts in the Middle East. There are people in America who make money off of the settlements in Israel and have connections in Washington and the core of power within the U.S.
Years ago, I read on recommendation, “The Harafish” by Naguib Mahfouz , as well as writings of Fadwa Touqan, whose writings were also admired by Moshe Dayan. As “Harifish” points out corrupt leaders cause an overwhelming infliction of pain on to their own people, and leadership that has at its heart the interest and welfare of the people is rare.
The issue of being ‘chosen’ or ‘blessed’ is more often than not the calling card for abuse in all societies and in all cultures.
There would be retaliation against western forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. Israel would have to go through Iraqi airspace for Israel to strike by air and Iraq’s air space is controlled by the United States. The other way is to use submarines built by Germany would be used to launch curse missiles, which would cause problems with Israel – German relations. Or, Israel would have to go through Saudi air space and this would cause and open fight between Saudi Arabia and Iran, same thing would happen if they tried to launch from the Red Sea, the other option is a launch from the Persian Gulf.
At any rate, if a strike was done, with the weapon systems Israel currently has, it would seem NATO (US) carried out the strike. Overall, it would be an unwise decision to attack Iran. American should stronly discourage this action,it will cause U.S. troops their lives.
Many people will miss Borders. From an article I read some time ago, some of Borders difficuly is because Borders did not offer digital books, as Barnes and Noble does.
It is an unhappy day for the people who will lose their jobs who work for Borders (11,000 across the country). Michigan has had enough of job loss.
Why forget Judge Jay Bybee, Mitchell, Jessen, Deland, McCotter, Sampson, Hatch, Rove, Flannigan, Yoo who worked for Hatch- seems like one is only looking at part of the reality by not also looking at them.
What has happened to Professor Cole is a danger to all Americans. There needs to be investigation which goes on and identifies other victims, since this does not look like an isolated incident. We can learn by what the German government did when they opened up the files the Stasi kept on the German population. It is the only way to protect a democracy is for wrong doings to be brought out into light.
It also needs to be known whether this happened to individuals who were on the wrong side of a prior congressional member, or a congressman on the House Intelligence Committee, in order to discredit, cover illegal entries, harass, people who have opposed the congressmen’s political friends. As it is already known, they have used local law enforcement and allies to do this.
@ CSI ---Think he knew it was coming? Beck got his break in big time radio after he joined the LDS Church -- Gray who anchored with Beck at another radio program was LDS and Beck follwed suit and joined some years later - after Beck lost everything. Beck's break came a week or so after joining.
If I recall correctly, there was some chatter a few years ago regarding Mitt Romney's Bain Capital trying to capture the radios market with Clear Channel. I think the deal went sideways after some people caught wind.
Yes, anit-trust would help in a great many industries.
"Considering the dirty dealings, that in all appearance are encouraged and promoted in Mike’s home county, it wouldn’t be surprising on anything coming out'
My most unlikable congressman, Mike Rogers of Michigan,” explained bluntly why Karzai’s brother has never been charged: "We certainly need the president to be with us. That would be hard if we're hauling off his brother to a detention center."
While doing research on Mike Rogers, the Rogers family was found to be fascinating leaving questions to their ethics. Mike has brought Ollie North several times to Rogers home county, of Livingston. Mike’s eldest brother, James is said to have worked with Karzai’s brother and had many contacts with him. Mike’s brother, James Rogers a military officer, has been clearly been involved in some covert ops, and had the same name and the same rank at the time of a military attaché who was involved in the coup in Venezuela.
Considering the dirty dealings, that in all appearance are encouraged and promoted in Mike’s home country. it wouldn’t be surprising on anything coming out –
2. Yes on number two also– private contractors, limited them. This form of mercenaries is dangerous to our own nation. It gleans potential leaders advancing up the ranks in our nation’s military; they owe not allegiance to our nation’s people and undermines our nation’s military. Not even bringing to mention private contractors are not under our military's code of conduct, or rules of engagement.
And having anwar-awlaki to lunch at the pentagon probably isn’t a good idea – it leaves the impression either our leaders don’t know who they are inviting, or for others, gives the impression they are grooming them.
It also leaves negative impressions when terrorist are trained at our own American airfields – as in Wally Hilliard air field at Huffman Aviation in Venice, Florida. “Wallace Hilliard, who was a Khashoggi “yes-man”, partnered with Khashoggi and Oryx to purchase Huffman Aviation in 1999.”
“Hilliard and Huffman also partnered with Osama Bin Ladin's brother, Yeslam, who was the main person who began funneling Al Qaida operatives to Huffrman in the first place.” Khashoggi was working in SLC in building the Triad Center- http://www.mormonzeitgeist.com/node/302
4.” Support Palestinian statehood and immediate full human rights for Palestinians” -- full agreement – no one likes to be held prisoners in their own home.
2. Yes on number two also– private contractors, limited them. This form of mercenaries is dangerous to our own nation. It gleans potential leaders advancing up the ranks in our nation’s military; they owe not allegiance to our nation’s people and undermines our nation’s military. Not even bringing to mention private contractors are not under our militaries code of conduct or rules of engagement.
And having anwar-awlaki to lunch at the pentagon probably isn’t a good idea – it leaves the impression either our leaders don’t know who they are inviting, or for others, gives the impression they are grooming them. http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/anwar-awlaki-pentagon-al/2010/10/20/id/374317
It also leaves negative impressions when terrorist are trained at our own American airfields – as in Wally Hilliard air field at Huffman Aviation in Venice, Florida. “ Wallace Hilliard, who was a Khashoggi “yes-man”, partnered with Khashoggi and Oryx to purchase Huffman Aviation in 1999.”
“Hilliard and Huffman also partnered with Osama Bin Ladin's brother, Yeslam, who was the main person who began funneling Al Qaida operatives to Huffrman in the first place.”
4.” Support Palestinian statehood and immediate full human rights for Palestinians” -- full agreement – no one likes to be held prisoners in their own home.
If the film George W had any accuracy, it showed Bush was dominated by Cheney, and Cheney was not forthcoming with information.
At any rate Cheney seized more power than any vice president I can recall. The advice to Bush to invade Iraq was poor, the invasion was not going to be a 'cake walk' and would unleash, as it did, tension in the various sects.
Karl Rove, has a sorted past – very sorted and he was groomed by Utah Senator Bob Bennett. I bet Bennett’s influence was everywhere in the background.
“Many men associated a few years ago with extremist militias” - What is deemed militia is a broad term which ranges from Ranch Rescue, which attempted to keep people on their farms to historically, W. Virginia has had groups had groups which could be deemed militia and there whole existence had to do with corruption locally caused by the labor situation leading to the ‘redneck war’.
The modern militia can be traced to the ‘red scare’ in the fifties, the situation was taken advantage and advanced by people like Cleon Skousen with the formation of his Freeman Institute, formed under the direction of the Mormon Church leadership. Hoover expressed concern over Skousen’s work in the John Birch Society and claims Cleon was making -- since Cleon had no experience in communist subversion.
The Freeman’s Institute, later called the Center of Constitutional Studies had its own political agenda, giving an organization in Utah a more powerful political base and broadening its sphere of political influence.
The modern militia movement, which is at best fragmented, has been exacerbated by some political elites saying the right to bear arms, is not an individual but a states right. Looking at what happened around Concord and Lexington, when the British were going to take individuals arms, not just guns but --- the CANNONS, which had been smuggled in from the Netherlands, I am not sure what the colonist were hunting with cannons other than the British.
The history of the right to bear arms aside, this issue has increased militia member numbers, resulting many being indoctrinated from the teachings filtering down from Cleon’s institution.
The Arab Spring, as I understand is being brought about by the middle and upper middle class, our middle-class in America is fragmented, and individuals somewhat isolated. American groups do not work well together, there are grass-root issues which people on the conservative side are concerned and similar grass -root issues people on the liberal side are concerned over, but they will not work together to confront the issue – and American’s seem to have become hedonistic. Maybe the Middle East will become the beacon of democracy, because American’s are selling out theirs.
As I understand the original Tea Parties data base was stolen, or taken if one wishes to say, and given to a GOP consulting firm. From there the Tea Party Express was formed.
“…. our increasingly corrupt judicial authorities, including a whole series of attorneys-general.” - I agree wholeheartedly on corrupt judicial authorities, but this goes beyond judges in our country. Corruption goes to the heart of our legal system to judges, court officials, attorneys – even law enforcement. Not solely attorney generals and judges.
It was mentioned once in another post, don’t trust Congressman Mike Rogers to do anything regarding an investigation – Rogers is the creator of illegal wiretapping. Strange, well maybe not so strange – Rogers the author of illegal wiretapping, his closest of county friends have odd appearance of being very, very crooked IMHO.
Some learned long ago about ‘red neck rube’ and his side-kick; however, they may not have understood the depths the pair. Attorney Generals? Some turn their heads; go along for ‘political’ reasons – the danger also are county alliances that have an impact reaching into the halls of Washington.
The Politics of Misconduct Part II -- Malicious Prosecution, or Cover-Up?
Bear with the mother’s story above; she has been fighting several issues on different levels for over a decade, all the people involved are close with Mr. Rogers.
The justice system is a core to protecting citizens and I do not know the answer on keeping the system untainted and don’t pretend to, but judges appointing judges – they might groom and appointed close family and friends. It has happened and is happening in our country and in our state.
By the way, it was and is cover-up IMHO. If this can happen to a mom, it can happen to anyone, if someone wants them silenced.
My ancestors were some of those in the murky group of dissidents in 1776 which fought the British. Many in my line did.
Last night as I stood on the edge of my drive way watching fireworks celebrating the independence of America, only bittersweet thoughts came to my mind. I thought of my ancestors, the struggles they faced- I am sure they weren’t perfect people, but they did stand for what they thought.
They knew Patrick Henry – the families appear to have been very close, and maybe that thread was handed down for one generation to another, of standing on what one feels is right – I also thought of the people who brought pain into the lives of my children and me. How we have felt prisoners, by some of the very people watching the same firework display I was. They were close and center to the activity and crowds of people; I stood at a distance, in the solitary darkness at the edge of my property. I cannot forgive the people, who broke into my home, threatened us – stealing what is most precious – safety , peace of mind and our freedom.
Whether it is in the Arab world or in our own, there are those who are both willing and happy to take away our freedoms – without conscience they strike.
If I recall Queen Victoria and Sir John Hawkins had some strong input into the slave trade, seems to have been a business decision. You correct on Scot/ Irish and indentured servants, but there also was a slave trade ship of Scots which headed for America. They were not to be indentured servants, they were to be slaves. The Scotsman newspaper ran an article regarding this a few years ago.
We still have slavery today, white slavery and all kinds of slavery still happen worldwide. Slavery use to be accepted as a natural consequence to losing a battle. It took people centuries to begin to break the chains of slavery. We still are not doing a good job treating each other well.
Several years ago, I had a professor get very upset with me, to the point he asked me not to speak in class again. He was talking about discrimination and was taking it from a black and white aspect. I was concerned the class, which was largely black, would miss understanding discrimination tends to happen to what every group is the largest minority in a majority population. I really made him angry with that statement. But it was what I observed when living in different areas of the county.
Sometimes things are a combination of history and understanding how people form bias.
And yes there are times leaders have inflamed the biases of groups to take additional land or power for themselves.
john caddidy --There was no cheap shot intended on my part. My comment was intent was on various human responses, as well as responses after undergoing abuse - there are more than two responses humans can develop after experiencing abuse. Stern gang members had experienced the abuses of the Warsaw ghetto.
It is the concept people have been taught, or a perspective held of favored son, and unflavored son - one having entitlement and birthright, and the other having none. Unfortunately, in the religious community this view is overly applied. When people feel entitled or chosen, is when abuses begin to occur. It doesn’t matter if this view is held in a religious group, within individual family members, or secular organizations or groups the results are the same.
A second issue enters in with cycle of abuse; this can be seen in the behaviors of the Stern Gang that abused both the people of Palestine as well as moderate Jews. People can come through their experience from abuse several different ways - two ways are they become more compassionate, understanding of abuse or they can become abusers themselves - The Stern Gang seems to have chosen the latter.
Thirdly, well intentioned folks like Bernadotte were too unfamiliar with the ancient beliefs and cultures of the people who inhabited the region.
The above is the basis for why the severe abuses are seen today. Then another issue, of people aligned for money is problematic in causing additional harm.
Israel has a problem growing within its own nation that will be manifesting itself in the future, and America may be forced into recessing its views out of necessity.
This has been a sad situation for decades – from the very beginning. The Palestinians have been badly treated since the start. The jealousies of old continue, began by two competing women and one man. Both are sons - ½ brothers and one is treated so badly. Shame.
America will not take on Russia; and especially the GOP will not take any action against Russia. There is a reason, but right now I will not go public with the reason.
Super390 here is a reason why there is no worry on GOP going after Russia.
Russian entered a war with Afghanistan on December 24, 1979 by ended on February 15, 198 with the finial withdrawal of Russian troops. When the Russians invaded Afghanistan America intelligence knew little of Afghanistan. Under President Carter he authorized the training of anti-communist troops in Afghanistan. The training was under the Central Intelligence Agency, the program was dubbed Operation Cyclone. It would be wise to google in Operation Cyclone, since this has a bearing on issues today.
Maybe it is depends ‘what’ republican gets into to office, but I highly doubt they would go after Russia. But there is a whole back story to this anyhow.
Warren Lunsford these type of background checks are usually done by the FBI, as I understand. The CIA would have nothing to do with it. Correct me if I am mistaken.
Tonight on channel seven news Detroit it was reported several senators are looking in on the claims the White House attempted to use the CIA to look into Professor Cole. The senator’s findings would decide if further actions are to be taken.
The CIA appears to have had a division introduced into during the Bush Administration, as a reminder there were many voices in the Bush administration wielding heavy influence. Problems occurred not only with Valier Plane, the CIA agent whose cover was blown after her husband opt end piece in the NYT, the CIA also was fractured also over the interrogation techniques introduced by Mitchell and Jessen.
Cofer Black, the Directorate of Operations at the Central Intelligence Agency and Jose A. Rodriguez, Jr. the Director of the National Clandestine Service at the CIA, usher into the agency Mitchell and Jessen. From readings, pressures where put on agents to go along with the program of Mitchell and Jessen.
There does appear to have developed a faction within the agency which attempted to pressured other agents into activities they may have felt wrong.
The Torture Series blog below gives some background of pressures put on agents as well as other questionable activity.
Professor Cole statement regarding there was a large measure of dishonesty during the Bush Administration is true, but as mentioned, there were many people which had influence in his administration.
What is also notable are the number of agents coming forward from both the CIA and FBI that have spoken out on what they have felt has wrong doings.
As seen with Blackwater, mercenaries do not play by the same rules our American soldiers must obey. Nor are they under the same laws of conduct or rules of engagement.
Juan, I think you may be correct. Maybe not as strong as "didn't like", but were worried about. There were many people under Bush that had a great deal of influence, it would not have taken much for their voices to be heard in the Bush administration.
“Rep. Mike Rogers (R-MI) refuses to have the House intelligence committee ... “
Professor Cole do not expect support from Mr. Rogers. Mr. Rogers is part of the problem in Washington; he is not part of the solution. Mr. Rogers was the framer of illegal wiretapping of citizens.
There has been an abundance of wrongful and illegal invasions into people who live in Mike Rogers home county of Livingston , it is openly said his home county, “Nothing happens without the Rogers family permission”
House Intelligence Committee Head, Congressman Mike Rogers from Brighton Michigan, voted yes on removing FISA warrants for wiretapping. It is doubtful Rogers would commence any investigations. His committee, as I understand also controls the purse strings of the FBI, it is not outside of reason he would attempt to punish any who dared attempted to investigate other agencies.
Rogers, has enough wrong doing in his own community of illegal actions against citizens, to dare to attempt an investigation – feeling it may open a can of worms. Mike Rogers is the framer of the illegal wiretapping's; Judge Walker ruled the government violated a 1978 federal statute requiring approval for domestic surveillance.
However that being said, it is a can of worms which needs to be opened.
GOP hopeful Mitt Romney wants MEK taken off the terrorist list, wonder how this plays out in the international arena?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNrVKzmBMME&feature=related
In Romney’s own cousin, R.B. Smith, own words Smith tells of Romney intentionally targeting Muslims to curry favor with hardliners. Quoting Mitt’s cousin “his (Mitt's) alarming rhetoric was nothing more than crass manipulation, a conscious effort to grab headlines by provoking fear and uncertainty. Worse, his actions subjected many peaceful, law-abiding Muslims to ridicule, scorn, and suspicion.”
If Romney is wanting MKE off the terrorist list, does it mean Romney is planning, should he get in the White House,an attack Iran? I fear this is the case.
I read "How the Irish Saved Civilization" by Cahill long ago, and our home has an extensive library of books. I do understand. Except, today's use is also well sprinkled heavily with psychological warfare.
Good post JTMcPhee. Today humans, especially in America, are conditioned. Many are more concerned about being right, hence 'flag waving'.
It appears to have become a common technique in conflict or in domination to degrade women, often with other women aligned in or behind the carrying out – it Is not a purely male act. In military conflicts, as seen often in Africa, Middle-East, and elsewhere women have been the target of degrading acts to break the spirit of the people.
In the middle-east rape often has been used as a weapon of war, using the beliefs of the people to further traumatize a people. Example: The belief in some nations fathers or brothers must take the life of a female in the family who has been sexually assaulted. Intentional rape is done to cause further trauma and further fracture the family unit and cultural society. Rape becomes an intentional military strategy, using peoples religious beliefs against them.
To a less obvious degree, the same has been done in the U.S.
Sexual humiliation was strongly introduced by Mitchell and Jessen as part of their tortures programs
One third of the dem's voted for the war. As recalled,correct if wrong,the establised democrates voted for the war.
You are correct there was.
I attempted to post my experience in 6th circuit federal court in early 2000s. I was asked if my son was going to join the Taliban, after the case brought was toss and the Federal Judges at the appeals court mocked Detroit Federal Judge Boreman.
This is not a surprise, it is systemic and measured. I grieve because there so few honest people found in our country. Our courts were quite corrupted before the bill and anything needed could and would be rammed through the courts systems.
I am not, it is not surprising.
Kelly Ayotte, New Hampshire Senator, endorses Mitt Romney and introduced by Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H. the Defense Authorization bill would roll back torture prevention measures. Ayotte is Mitts guy.
I agree the chance is NIL. But the bill on rolling back any blocking of tortures was introduced by a heavy backer of Mitt Romney’s from N.H. Romney has many of the torture supporters on his staff, and Romney himself is in support of enhanced tortures.
I probably should clarify when I wrote” The law is clearly meant to protect illegal activities” – this is referring to illegal activity by the politically connected in Washington D.C. and in our states.
Peer group alliance within a profession; be the profession is in law, government, etc. in the background there is peer group bonding which does occur within aligned people. As far as speaking out and not going along, this has to do with the level on ‘moral judgment’ the individual has attained or developed.
The next is the ability of the individual to speak out – meaning the method they feel they can use to speak out, who they should align with for protection should they speak out, or will they have to boldly go it on their own should they reveal a problem, corruption, wrong doing etc. In the latter case they may decide to speak out.
The other event which happens within groups is the ‘bully’ or the manipulator will do is, they will edge out any individual they feel has integrity and bring in people into the group which can and will compromise. Forming a core group which is difficult to remove, next they will attach people they can use to carry out attacks on their ‘target’. ( the individuals the core group wishes to expel or silenced).
In our family, my children and I have suffered deeply because of people willing to mob and align as cover-ups were instigated by corrupt parties.
Torture is meant to send a message to others to be very afraid so opposition is suppressed – especially the enhanced Mitchell and Jessen tortures which were developed. These tortures were find conducted in Utah Prison of which, several the prison administers went on to abuse children within their own Mormon Church wards in Utah.
Psychologists were removed from the positions within professional groups which did not agree with enhanced tortures, replacing them with ones which would. Agents within federal agency who spoke out, or did not agree with Mitchell and Jessen’s tortures were marginalized. Again this is part of the core peer group edging out people of integrity and is seen across the board in a multitude of arenas.
It is not just that they (the congress and leaders in Washington) are bought and paid for Juan, some of the ‘authoritarian politicians’ are mired deep into corruption, and the ties extend beyond political party.
People have been viewing our political parties like children view the outside world as black and white and one side good and one side bad, when in reality both sides are linked.
As mentioned in my earlier post, for my kids and I we have been living a nightmare in Mike Rogers (R) county with linking extending to his closest of family friends and alliances - all because of information I knew, and those involved wanted suppressed. It has been a personal tragedy however, it is one that any American could face if they know the ‘wrong’ information.
It is not only the "Plames' or higher profile people who have been targeted.
This is a frightening situation. We have iving in a nightmare in Mike Rogers County (R), the head of the Congressional Intelligence Committee, where there has been blatant corruption, civil right abuses – and even suffering break-ins, where there were incriminating documents were remove documents and attempted to be removed, I personally worry about the direction of our nation and the wisdom of our national leaders.
If Rogers is any example of quality of national leadership this nation is in for a great many problems.
The law is clearly meant to protect illegal activities than it is to protect Americans, once we lose our civil rights it will be near impossible to get them back. For us it has been a personal one, but American’s are teetering on the brink of finding themselves in a similar situation.
Mitt Romney investment in fannie mae and feddie mac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYpMv8Rz4gw
And Countywide mortage , Mozilo, donated the legal maximum of $2,300 a piece to former Republican Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, the National Republican Senatorial Committee ($8,980)
Mozilo spread sheet of donations is located at link below:
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/02/ex-countrywide-chairman-angelo-mozilo.html
Karl Rove is backing Mitt Romney. Rove also backed Romney in 2008
Mitt is a belligerent– you have no idea what is behind Romney.
The blog below gives Romney's links to tortures. Many of the people Romney has placed on his 2012 campaign staff.
Mitt Romney Torture Series
http://justthoughts-blogger.blogspot.com/
Yes, Romney will go to war. This prediction has been stated by Joel Skousen. Joel attempted to give Romney a sideways endorsement.
http://mittromney2012potus.blogspot.com/
The Romney family has many questionable alliances and loyalties, most are not in the best interest of America, or Americans.
As one who has had years of personal experience with the Romney family, they are a family liberals, conservatives and independents should be most concerned over. If most American realized and knew of the Romney families entanglement they would be very fearful Mitt gaining access to the White House.
The problem may not be creating such a source, but keeping it legal.
It is illegal to encrypt radio communications in the US. I understand in China, Russia and Iran and open source is illegal, the next hurtle would be keeping it legal in the US.
There are many area's of 'civil rights', invasion of privacy, wrongful search, American's should be most concern about.
"People around the world are trying to figure out what has happened in the USA.", Don Utter wrote.
Ans: an enormous amount of deception
and a mind-boggling amount of corruption
Mitt Romney flips and flops more than just on the middle -east. A weather-vane is a good symbol for Mitt.
Romney has several other issues looming over him, besides his flip and flops.
Updates on; Mitt Romney the Weather-vane candidate.
http://mittromney2012potus.blogspot.com/
No one likes being exploited, especially those who can't defend themselves.
Agreed joe from Lowell
!. Karzai is reassuring the Pakistani’s he is first and foremost their ally it is important for him to do, because Pakistan could make his more life difficult if they felt threatened.
2. Regarding the Taliban Karzai is trying to negotiate with the Taliban, so why wouldn’t he make a comment like that.
3. America has not exactly done a great job in reconstructing Afghanistan. Example we paid for a truck from an American supplier, who in turn went to the Russians and bought an second hand soviet era truck that never worked and sent to Afghanistan.
People who express themselves in word one may not like, does not mean they are insane.
Karzai may not be insane,but being a typical politician.
Agreed, Bill.
MEK is the group presidential hopeful Mitt Romney wants off the terrorist list. Mitt likes the political ‘cult’ MEK. Guess, “political cult” doesn’t need the politically correct “high demand group” word for a ‘cult’.
Mitt Romney must want to start WWIII with Iran. If Iran gets destabilized the region will also become destabilized putting Turkey will also be at risk. Mitt needs to realize Iran is not Iraq.
He is a bad remake of "Burn After Reading".
trent steele has a good plot for the next big terror attack using super dooper dopy Agent Smarts.
There are two events which have happened which are oddly similar to spy movies and has been a topic in our home in past months and days.
The Next Man (1976) Sean Connery movie is oddly similar to The murder of al-Mabhouh is striking similar to the plot in Sean Connery’s Movie the Next Man.
‘Mahmoud al-Mabhouh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_al-MabhouhMahmoud Abdel Rauf al-Mabhouh (Arabic: محمود عبد الرؤوف المبحوح; ... Police in the Emirate of Dubai, where al-Mabhouh was killed, allege that it was ... The Dubai police state that al-Mabhou was drugged and then suffocated with a pillow. ..”
And the current alleged hit on a Saudi diplomat is oddly like “Burn After Reading made in 2008.
Is someone getting their inspiration from old Hollywood Movies?
Agreed. Too sloppy.
" founders of the extremist John Birch Society." FBI head Hoover disapproved of the John Birch Society and felt they were doing damage to actual investigations into communist subversion.
The Koch family were working with Communist Soviet Union where they were making their money.
Who is the 'we' Lowell that was at war with the south? You mean "those" Yanks?
Eric Prince and the Romney family are tight, they have been for years, as they have been with the DeVos family. Prince would be Mitt right hand man.
Oruacat2- he still made the Pentagon luncheon list of invitee. Strange they did not know who they invited, and didn't arrest him then.
"If people want the United States to be able to declare war on non-governmental organizations that maintain private armies"..
Does this mean Eric Prince might have some worries in the future? Prince made a quick exit out of the US.
What you are describing began long before 9/11, but the majority of the public is unaware of this.
"Here’s a troubling thought: do you really think it would be a good idea to give a President Michele Bachmann or a President Rick Perry the authority to kill American citizens at will and with no due process?" ----
I would be worried about a President Mitt Romney since Mitt has the torture people on his staff.
Torture Series
http://justthoughts-blogger.blogspot.com/
When the pentagon invites, and has as their guests terrorist for lunch, it leads people to wonder what is wrong with this picture.
Didn't the news today write a 'leading ' terrorist just died?
“Talking Points Memo: Michele Bachmann’s has Lebanon’s Shiite Hizbullah hooking up with Castro’s Communist Cuba.”
This is Jeff Flake, Arizona. Jeff is backing the Mitter for POTUS who is the one in communication with Cuba and pushing to open up Cuba for American trade in Washington D.C., Wally Hilliard (no doubt another Mitt backer) travelled several times to Cuba, reportedly with a sack of Rolex watches, assisting a certain organization wishing to buy a ten thousand acre cattle ranch.
“A State Department official is being threatened with losing his job for linking to a Wikileaks cable at his blog.” --- Ridiculous repeat ridiculous
“Len Levitt looks at the evidence unearthed by AP that the NYPD has illegally placed Muslim-Americans under domestic surveillance“--- The pentagon lunches appears to be a good place for surveillance for terrorist, since terrorists are invited.
“P.Z. Myers: In a new book, Stephen Pinker argues that human violence is declining rapidly over time.” -- Historically, human interaction has been violent – at least if one is referring to physical violence. I disagree human violence is declining. If one thinks about psychological violence, bet they would find it is on the upswing in human society.
@Yusuf, I agree I puzzle over the aversion to a safety net for our nations people. Many now, are even willing to throw our elderly out into the streets and seem to feel people in difficult straights are there due to their own actions, not seeing it can be the actions of others which put them in a tenuous situation.
I struggle with our view of our nation sometimes. Reading history on early settlers in America, they traveled, moved and settled with their community. German’s moved into new territory with their community, the Irish and Scottish did the same, and later other ethnic communities stayed close to one another. They look care of their community members and took in orphaned children into their homes.
Stores and business were run by people in the community for the most part, not an invisible corporation. The early settlers didn’t like the Virginia Company and rebelled against it, and didn’t like British soldiers sent to stay in their homes.
People do not seem to have an overall sense of community in America, unless they are bound by corruption and some kind of exploitive behavior. Our nation has sunk to the lowest types of behaviors, instead of striving to be better people.
The encouraging of people in distress to harm themselves has happened in several American cities. Not long ago in San Francisco.
Our American families have broken down, even in rural communities. In America it is not only hostility, but for amusement, many of our people seem to feel life is a video game.
And MRA that oil is going to Dubai now - sent there by the rebels.
Nel, it probably comes from reports Blackwater (XE) trainees are on the ground with the rebels, the mercenaries are from Dubai and the Libyan rebels are routing their oil to Dubai, where Eric Prince when into exile and is training mercenaries.
Something has been brewing for years, about five years ago an Italian mob boss was arrested for an arms deal involving million arms from China, Type 56 rifle, to some Libyan officers, that would be arming one in eight Libyans.
correction should have been: Qaddafi
Disagree with #8 It probably had less to do with France and Britain being worried about Islamic radicalization and more to do with Gadhafi history of supporting the IRA and a pro-independence movement in French New Caledonia.
And you forgot, Anwar al-Awlaki will only be given a small salad at his next luncheon at the Pentagon.
It appears comedian’s often are targeted by threats, a quick internet search comes up with a variety -
Italian Comedian Threatened With Jail For Criticizing Pope
http://italianalmanac.org/06nov/satire.htm
Ali G, a British comedian whose routine pokes fun a the nation of Kazakhstan, has been threatened with legal
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread183088/pg1
"Mitt Romney looks like the American president in a Canadian movie." - Letterman’s best one liner
There may be some truth in your post James Speaks.
“This theology of Israeli infallibility”, people’s belief systems are at time difficult to penetrate, but…
A reminder of the story regarding Israel garnering God’s wrath and sent exiled into Egypt, takes the view of infallibility away. A wall is difficult to tear down, when the wall is built on privilege, elitism and feelings of superiority no matter where it is found.
I hate to break it to you, their are people linked to the liberal side who are involved also.super390.
It is not as simple as, yuck conservative and the liberal side is without a blemish. A wise man said, "two wall hold up the same roof." When the worst hits, ones rose colored glasses come off. It is not as simple as in your post super390
Ayn Rand – it is correct Rand appealed to self- centerness and the greed of the rich, the greed setting the rich against the poor. Her influence is greater reaching than this, she also appealed to the selfishness within people and within families. Ayn who was raised under the banner of the Soviet Union, grew and come to America and taught American’s how to be self-centered and greedy. From life lessons - selfishness in nurtured in people from many walks of life and many political viewpoints. Americans as a whole appears to have become self-centered people, and many appear to have been unknowingly influenced by Rand’s views.
Perry’s background is interesting, he was once a democrat and supporter of Al Gore then changed to a republican.
I realized some may not like Perry, and people will have options to vote for or against him; however, I must admit taking some delight in seeing Perry’s announcement in South Carolina, and what a “slap in the face” it must have been to Romney. For a few of us who know well the dangers of a Romney reign – Romney complete with his many advisors linked to enhanced tortures and abuses; it is a welcome sight for entry to anyone who can knock Mitt out of the race, and hopefully knock Romney out of his last chance to run for POTUS, few realized the full danger of Mittens.
Myself, I cannot get the picture out of my mind, of a handcuffed and stuffed into a squad car Mitt Romney representing America as our president; or the foul mouth Mitt Romney going off on officers during the Olympics in SLC. Or, Romney who could not tolerate a lone protester against Mittens having a rodeo at the SLC Olympics; surprisingly the protester was set-up as a terrorist.
http://romneyfacts.com/
Romney terrorized rodeo protester below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l07qpHR1UQ
What were those agents wearing? Olympic jackets. Oh, Mittens.
“Americans bending over and taking it” -- American’s have been conditioned to take it. Americans have a few additional issues in our nation the Middle East is not facing currently. The Middle East is unique in a quality America lost a generation or two ago, the Arab countries have stronger family and community ties to one another. America lost its sense community where people knew each other and many of American families are fractured – American’s are disenfranchised and have developed a ‘me’ centered mindset.
Another reason, and some may disagree with me, is the American church community. The Quakers had strong influence in the abolition movement and the women's suffrage movement. The rise of the Civil Rights came from black church leaders and within black churches. The rise of the Civil Rights movement did not occur in only one generation. The talk of black civil rights had been groomed and nurtured for many generations within the black church community. The church system focus now is on two issues, abortion and gay rights, and has for the most part stayed silence on issue of the shrinking middle class and other important issues. Karl Rove has done a fine job of manipulating the American church leaders and pulling at the strings of their members and pastoral leadership, keeping the focus on two issues while others slide by without notice.
Maybe the fear of challenging the political group which is perceived as having, and has worked hard to state they represent and are the protectors of ‘family values’, when in reality some of the people in the higher levels have damaged the family. American’s listen too much to people’s words, and not their actions, they are lulled away and seduced by cunning political power brokers and power hungry politicians.
"You used to come up with phrases like ‘the family of the house knows what is going on in the house than anyone outside."
Thank you for posting this Mick. The statement is most true.
There are many intertwined deceptions and power players at work. The American people have been deceived for sometime, and eyes wide open do not know what has transpired in the recent past - they couldn't have, only a few were aware, at least on some serious issues.
Russia’s position should be seen for what it is, which is backing the Bashar al-Asad regime. The reality is there probably are not more views within the United Russia Party and they will not back Mikhail Margelov expressed view. Russia will listen to their experts on the Middle East instead of to Mikhail Margelov, especially with what is going on in Libya; Russia will not want to lose more influence to the west.
Syria purchases massive amount of arms from Russia, and Russia economically needs Syria for their defense industry.
The issues of tortures are not in the past, and not exclusive to Bush and Mubarak, but also the people who developed and over saw the tortures carried out. Civil trials are appropriate in the United States and not military tribunals; we are a republic of laws. The purpose of a military tribunal is to get around those laws and undermines our government.
If one looks at the current crop of presidential contenders, in particular Mitt Romney, one will find support for a policy of torture, as well as many of the people involved in the development of the torture polices under Bush, are found among Romney’s current advisors.
Even in the Obama administration, people are still disappearing into black holes. The kill capture policy is still carried out in Afghanistan and elsewhere.
Eric Prince in Dubai has violated the Neutrality Act, as well as violating requirements to obtain permits from the State Department before providing the training of foreign nations. Eric Price and former members of our American special forces are providing training in Dubai, which probably includes techniques of torture. The fact Prince is doing this is without permits, indicates Prince could be selling the current trade craft of our special forces to Russia, China, and who knows who else in Dubai, putting our soldiers in jeopardy if there is future conflict.
Some of the countries in the top tax brackets shown on the chart offer greater benifits to their citizens than America does.
Shahid Shahid, if my other posts are read, my feeling are he was ripe for recruitment,and questioned a possible Serb influence due to some of the associations he has claimed, as well as, places he stated he visited.
Not to get too spooky, but there is mind manipulation, it is real and some people fall prey, or are victims to it. Breivik seemed right for recruitment to me.
The cure is pulling back the curtain.
In looking at Breivik’s actions and attack on the Labor party, do not under estimate his relationship with his parents – both were active in the Labor organization. Breivik’s father a former diplomat , who had many unstable marriages, one before Breivik’s mother, his mother and another relationship which came one within a year after his birth - this one lasted it appears 12 years, then another relationship. And Breivik’s father stopped seeing him at 15 because Breivik was caught doing graffiti. Ignoring, excluding, minimizing, marginalizing and demeaning are all methods, and they are methods.
It would be interesting to know what type of graffiti he was doing – political, artsy, etc. But at this point this appears to be the turning point in his life. He did not like his mothers’ second husband, an officer in the Navy who he claimed was a pervert because of his step-fathers many trips to Asia for prostitutes.( was this for under-age children?)
There is the appearance from reports, he had a growing resentment inside him which he projected on others (meaning middle-easterns). This is a young man who was struggling for his identity. This type of damage can be done through a bad series of experiences, or it can be something done with intentional malicious purpose - with an end in mind. As far as ‘demonizing’ , or de-humanizing a person, or a group, this is a weapon of political leaders – and at times there is little difference between and religious leader and a political leader – some leaders wear both hats, even if one of the “hats” is hidden from public view. To ‘demonize’ another has the objective of rendering the party helpless - by picking up added voices as the attacks build in a crescendo leaving the ‘target’ also unable to have their voice heard - in essence defenseless.
Sometimes there is a man (men) standing behind the curtain, manipulating while being unseen.
It is a good question what causes people to follow people who 'demonize the other'
People mobbing others happens all too often, in the religious communities, in the our own communities, and sadly in families. If one is referring to 'white sheets', there are people have never worn them, but are as cruel and abuse as any.
Sometimes I think there are people who have in their nature the ability to abuse, and somehow these personalities find their way to each other. -
They have been trying to do social security in since long before 2001, some have been trying to do it in since its inception.
The argument between Bush and Cheney shows Cheney was out of place, he wasn’t president and acted beyond his powers , he was VP president. Cheney did this nation no favors.
Warrantless wiretapping is the baby of Michigan Congressman Mike Rogers of Brighton located in Livingston County. And Mike’s warrantless wiretapping was found illegal by Judge Vaughn R. Walker.
Mike also voted..... YES on removing the need for FISA warrants for wiretapping (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, required warrants.}
Below is a blog piece on Mike Rogers the creator of wiretapping in the Patriot Act
http://mittromney2012potus.blogspot.com/2010/04/romney-supporter-congressman-mike.html
( the site is actually an anti-mitt site) 🙂
Mike is a former FBI Agent, he worked white collar crime detail in Chicago and it looks like Mike’s experience with crime taught him well on how to commit them. Livingston County, which Mike’s family dominates –( Mike has a brother serving in the Michigan State legislature, his father a heavy influence in Brighton, and his mother dominated the Livingston county GOP), there is enough of corruption in Livingston to keep any white collar detail busy for a long time cleaning it up and is found though-out the county system. Alberto Berlusconi could come to the county and they would make him a member of the county board and his behavior with young women would qualify him to become a county judge --- he would fit right in.
The best way to tackle the issue is Washington is to remove the people from office who are part of the problem, starting at the local and state levels and Michigan has its work cut out for them in removing people from both sides of the political spectrum -- "two walls hold up the same roof" -Khalil Gibran, as folks in Mike's Livingston county are very much aware, but are still hiding under the bushes in hopes no one figures it out.
Many years ago I was able to buy a book titled “Abraham and Sari”, it was a wonderful novel and beautifully written.
(and yes, the jealousy between Sari and Hagar was keenly seen) I was puzzled why it had been quickly removed from the market by the publisher. However, woven into the fabric of the story was a political leader, who refined the use of faith to control the population, to the point he created his own ‘religion’ and he, of course, was the anointed one.
We need to think hard on ...
The use of ‘faith’ by political leaders has been use, well since the beginning of time, it has been used. It was used in Ireland, when cunning rulers moved competing Scot’s on to Irish land, then sometimes the other way around, Irish on to Scottish lands – fully knowing and wanting conflict to stir up between the true- believing Catholic population and the true- believing Protestant populations.
The result in this conflict between the two competing groups of true-believers was the rulers would obtain their objective, which was more land and added power, stirring conflict was the method of obtaining this end.
I was at a meeting awhile back, the speaker was a Protestant man from the US who was working in Ireland to bring about peace between the Irish Catholic and Protestant factions, walls were built to divide the communities of true-believers in towns in Ireland, he recounted a day when the young of Ireland, both Catholic and Protestant walked through the streets holding hands, and spoke of his hopes for a peace between the Catholic and Protestant groups on the Emerald Isle one day.
Maybe it is time people stop wanting their ‘belief’ to be right, and learn to be good, kind human beings and grow wiser to the manipulation of political leaders.
“The group is hosted by an English Protestant, joined by an English Christian atheist, a French Catholic, a German Christian atheist, a Dutch Christian agnostic, a Greek Orthodox, a Russian Christian atheist, a Norwegian Protestant (presumably Breivik himself), a Serbian Orthodox (“by proxy, location: Monrovia, Liberia”), while unable to attend were individuals from Sweden, Belgium and a “European-American.” Breivik does not reveal anyone’s name”
“There were only 5 people in London re-founding the order and tribunal (1 by proxy) but there were around 25-30 attending in Balticum during the two sessions, individuals from all over Europe; Germany, France, Sweden, the UK, Denmark, Balticum, Benelux, Spain, Italy, Greece, Hungary, Austria, Armenia, Lebanon and Russia”
So, what is a German Christian Atheist, a Dutch Christian agnostic, and a Russian Christian atheist? Must have been a Russian who converted after the fall of the Soviet Union and quickly became an atheist.
This young man was recruited by someone.
My interest was peaked when RT quickly intervied one of their own who knew Breivik, Breivik visit to the Czech Republic for arms, and Breivik views on Serbia.
Reading Breivik background saying his father a diplomat in London last night, the thought came that Breivik father most likely was left on the political spectrum, given Breivik broke off relations with his father. The year he broke off contact with his father is interesting, (given in the article linked below), as more details emerge on Breivik background a better view of this man will emerge. Right now, he looks like he was good material for recruitment during his late teen-age years and twenties.
“Breivik said both parents supported Norway's centre-left Labour Party, which he viewed as infiltrated by Marxists”
Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/gunmans-father-was-london-diplomat-16027503.html?r=RSS#ixzz1T8ifJEyf
What Serbian war criminal lived in Liberia in around 2001-02? If he was a Serbian he was probably a mercenary, and in Liberia at the time, there were South African companies.
Two possibilities which need to be looked at 1) Was this a plan by the Serbia’s to hit Europe to cause problems 2) Was this a plan abandoned by the Serbia’s (or someone else) and this Breivik just kept it going. Breivik had money to buy/rent his organic farm, and to buy supplies, also a connection to get a police officers uniform.
The first possibility above needs to be seriously looked in. The next question did Breivik really go and met the people he said he did, if he did meet with them -- back to questions one and two in the above paragraph, if not he has an emotional issue, but Andersson the head of the Union of Russian Communities in his RT interview indicated no emotional issue with Breivik during their association, except for some girls turning him down on dates.
“The 32-year-old Norwegian said it was the NATO bombing of Serbia in 1999 that "tipped the scales" for him because he sympathized with Serbia's crackdown on ethnic Albanian Muslims in Kosovo.”
http://news.yahoo.com/norway-suspect-serbia-bombing-tipped-scales-232709124.html
Might possibly explain Breivik association with Andersson the head of the Union of Russian Communities wounder what Breivik thought of the Russian-Muslim confrontation in The Caucasus.
I hope my last comment submmitted wasn't deleted it goes with this one.
Union of Russian Communities in Sweden head Ulav Andersson, gave interview on Anders Behring Breivik on Russia Today. Andersson was acquainted with Breivik; however, Andersson does not explain how he knew Breivik other than they knew each other one summer and worked together for a while afterwards.
Breivik also went to the Czech Republic to obtain an Ak-47 and Glock hand gun ( a very bad Hungarian made plastic handgun), hand grenades and an RBG, Breivik posted this on his online account.
http://www.radio.cz/en/news#2
Regarding Breivik religious beliefs:
“Another significant event was being baptised into the Protestant church of "his own free will" at the age of 15. More recently, however, he had expressed his disgust at his own church. "Today's Protestant church is a joke," he wrote in an online post in 2009. "Priests in jeans who march for Palestine and churches that look like minimalist shopping centres. I am a supporter of an indirect collective conversion of the Protestant church back to the Catholic."
And appears to have had a good education –“ Raised in Oslo, he is reported to have attended the same Smestad primary school as Norway's crown prince”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/23/anders-behring-breivik-norway-attacks?CMP=twt_gu
--If my correction was approved maybe the rest of my post should also have been approved. The shooter does not appear to like Protestant churches by his statements. Remember Norway, it was said, was supporting the UN into Palestine; correct me if I am mistaken. There more influences in at play in the world right now and some realize, it is best to gain more information on the shooter – people need to keep their wits about them.
It may be best to learn more of Breivik before coming to any definite conclusions.
Yes, they are going through the same process of cultural assimilation, and part of the assimilation is getting blamed for things the culture didn't do.
The Muslim faith will face the same internal challenges in America, other close cultural groups faced and that is of their children wanting to be more like the society around them, and there will be a peroid of family conflict - a sandwich generation where children challenge the rules. This is common in all groups. Be patient with you children as they grow up in a world differnt from the world their parents and grandparents came from. And gently remind your Christian brothers-
The Protestant Reformation was backed by the Muslims. It is a part of history too.
I think I need to get my book done, the people in Michgian need a new view point - and a true one this time.
correction:
the American Christian Community "should" not be manipulated by Karl Rove designs and return to the basics, and the rest need to take a breath before passing judgements -- there are many forces at work in the world today.
OK, my long, long post did not get approved. However, this is still an important issue --
Another issue slipping under the radar is the radicalization of lower income men in general. In Europe there is a large group of the working class which can be poetically recruited and has progress into elements of the middle-class. When this happens there is usually an upswing in violence, as seen in Imperial Russia prior to 1910’s, and a pervious in the sport hooligans which at one time was a working class phenomenon and is now middle-class.
If ‘radicalization” does not become politically violent, the violence is over other issues – like their soccer team losing, in this type of environment they are going to gravitate to anything violent and their politics is basically irreverent because they will gravitate towards anything. If it politics, it will usually manifest itself opposite to whatever is in power, which in Northern Europe it will be radical right, in Southern Europe it will be radical left, or it can take the form of religious, or racial violence.
In my reading the next area of bias will be between the educated and under-educated and not necessary along racial lines. Maybe some of this is seen in it's beginnings in a class struggle beginning to rear its head.
And yes, I do wish a broader view of racial bias expressed would include the bias which flourished in the north.
"power brokers US Political Landscape and has vast Control on Christendoms Foreign Policy" it is important for people in the middle-east to realize some of these 'power brokers' have cause pain in the lives of non-arab's in the U.S., once people -- any people -- find they have power and can abuse they do.
Settlements that have developed “since 1967 and until-now” and continues to grow, this is an injustice and the cause of conflicts in the Middle East. There are people in America who make money off of the settlements in Israel and have connections in Washington and the core of power within the U.S.
Years ago, I read on recommendation, “The Harafish” by Naguib Mahfouz , as well as writings of Fadwa Touqan, whose writings were also admired by Moshe Dayan. As “Harifish” points out corrupt leaders cause an overwhelming infliction of pain on to their own people, and leadership that has at its heart the interest and welfare of the people is rare.
The issue of being ‘chosen’ or ‘blessed’ is more often than not the calling card for abuse in all societies and in all cultures.
There would be retaliation against western forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. Israel would have to go through Iraqi airspace for Israel to strike by air and Iraq’s air space is controlled by the United States. The other way is to use submarines built by Germany would be used to launch curse missiles, which would cause problems with Israel – German relations. Or, Israel would have to go through Saudi air space and this would cause and open fight between Saudi Arabia and Iran, same thing would happen if they tried to launch from the Red Sea, the other option is a launch from the Persian Gulf.
At any rate, if a strike was done, with the weapon systems Israel currently has, it would seem NATO (US) carried out the strike. Overall, it would be an unwise decision to attack Iran. American should stronly discourage this action,it will cause U.S. troops their lives.
Many people will miss Borders. From an article I read some time ago, some of Borders difficuly is because Borders did not offer digital books, as Barnes and Noble does.
It is an unhappy day for the people who will lose their jobs who work for Borders (11,000 across the country). Michigan has had enough of job loss.
Cheney's wife 7th generation LDS, son in SLC, daughter close with LDS Kyle Sampson. Of course, Rove groomed by LDS Bob Bennett
Why forget Judge Jay Bybee, Mitchell, Jessen, Deland, McCotter, Sampson, Hatch, Rove, Flannigan, Yoo who worked for Hatch- seems like one is only looking at part of the reality by not also looking at them.
What has happened to Professor Cole is a danger to all Americans. There needs to be investigation which goes on and identifies other victims, since this does not look like an isolated incident. We can learn by what the German government did when they opened up the files the Stasi kept on the German population. It is the only way to protect a democracy is for wrong doings to be brought out into light.
It also needs to be known whether this happened to individuals who were on the wrong side of a prior congressional member, or a congressman on the House Intelligence Committee, in order to discredit, cover illegal entries, harass, people who have opposed the congressmen’s political friends. As it is already known, they have used local law enforcement and allies to do this.
@ CSI ---Think he knew it was coming? Beck got his break in big time radio after he joined the LDS Church -- Gray who anchored with Beck at another radio program was LDS and Beck follwed suit and joined some years later - after Beck lost everything. Beck's break came a week or so after joining.
If I recall correctly, there was some chatter a few years ago regarding Mitt Romney's Bain Capital trying to capture the radios market with Clear Channel. I think the deal went sideways after some people caught wind.
Yes, anit-trust would help in a great many industries.
"Considering the dirty dealings, that in all appearance are encouraged and promoted in Mike’s home county, it wouldn’t be surprising on anything coming out'
Should read county, not country.
My most unlikable congressman, Mike Rogers of Michigan,” explained bluntly why Karzai’s brother has never been charged: "We certainly need the president to be with us. That would be hard if we're hauling off his brother to a detention center."
While doing research on Mike Rogers, the Rogers family was found to be fascinating leaving questions to their ethics. Mike has brought Ollie North several times to Rogers home county, of Livingston. Mike’s eldest brother, James is said to have worked with Karzai’s brother and had many contacts with him. Mike’s brother, James Rogers a military officer, has been clearly been involved in some covert ops, and had the same name and the same rank at the time of a military attaché who was involved in the coup in Venezuela.
Considering the dirty dealings, that in all appearance are encouraged and promoted in Mike’s home country. it wouldn’t be surprising on anything coming out –
“(with the notable exception of the recent immigrant community)” Is this the community Putin recently visited?
1. Yes, widely over estimated -
2. Yes on number two also– private contractors, limited them. This form of mercenaries is dangerous to our own nation. It gleans potential leaders advancing up the ranks in our nation’s military; they owe not allegiance to our nation’s people and undermines our nation’s military. Not even bringing to mention private contractors are not under our military's code of conduct, or rules of engagement.
And having anwar-awlaki to lunch at the pentagon probably isn’t a good idea – it leaves the impression either our leaders don’t know who they are inviting, or for others, gives the impression they are grooming them.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/anwar-awlaki-pentagon-al/2010/10/20/id/374317
It also leaves negative impressions when terrorist are trained at our own American airfields – as in Wally Hilliard air field at Huffman Aviation in Venice, Florida. “Wallace Hilliard, who was a Khashoggi “yes-man”, partnered with Khashoggi and Oryx to purchase Huffman Aviation in 1999.”
“Hilliard and Huffman also partnered with Osama Bin Ladin's brother, Yeslam, who was the main person who began funneling Al Qaida operatives to Huffrman in the first place.” Khashoggi was working in SLC in building the Triad Center-
http://www.mormonzeitgeist.com/node/302
4.” Support Palestinian statehood and immediate full human rights for Palestinians” -- full agreement – no one likes to be held prisoners in their own home.
1. Yes, widely over estimated -
2. Yes on number two also– private contractors, limited them. This form of mercenaries is dangerous to our own nation. It gleans potential leaders advancing up the ranks in our nation’s military; they owe not allegiance to our nation’s people and undermines our nation’s military. Not even bringing to mention private contractors are not under our militaries code of conduct or rules of engagement.
And having anwar-awlaki to lunch at the pentagon probably isn’t a good idea – it leaves the impression either our leaders don’t know who they are inviting, or for others, gives the impression they are grooming them.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/anwar-awlaki-pentagon-al/2010/10/20/id/374317
It also leaves negative impressions when terrorist are trained at our own American airfields – as in Wally Hilliard air field at Huffman Aviation in Venice, Florida. “ Wallace Hilliard, who was a Khashoggi “yes-man”, partnered with Khashoggi and Oryx to purchase Huffman Aviation in 1999.”
“Hilliard and Huffman also partnered with Osama Bin Ladin's brother, Yeslam, who was the main person who began funneling Al Qaida operatives to Huffrman in the first place.”
Khashoggi was working in SLC in building the Triad Center-
http://www.mormonzeitgeist.com/node/302
4.” Support Palestinian statehood and immediate full human rights for Palestinians” -- full agreement – no one likes to be held prisoners in their own home.
If the film George W had any accuracy, it showed Bush was dominated by Cheney, and Cheney was not forthcoming with information.
At any rate Cheney seized more power than any vice president I can recall. The advice to Bush to invade Iraq was poor, the invasion was not going to be a 'cake walk' and would unleash, as it did, tension in the various sects.
Karl Rove, has a sorted past – very sorted and he was groomed by Utah Senator Bob Bennett. I bet Bennett’s influence was everywhere in the background.
“Many men associated a few years ago with extremist militias” - What is deemed militia is a broad term which ranges from Ranch Rescue, which attempted to keep people on their farms to historically, W. Virginia has had groups had groups which could be deemed militia and there whole existence had to do with corruption locally caused by the labor situation leading to the ‘redneck war’.
The modern militia can be traced to the ‘red scare’ in the fifties, the situation was taken advantage and advanced by people like Cleon Skousen with the formation of his Freeman Institute, formed under the direction of the Mormon Church leadership. Hoover expressed concern over Skousen’s work in the John Birch Society and claims Cleon was making -- since Cleon had no experience in communist subversion.
See Cleon Skousen’ s FBI record, located on line http://sites.google.com/site/ernie124102/skousen
The Freeman’s Institute, later called the Center of Constitutional Studies had its own political agenda, giving an organization in Utah a more powerful political base and broadening its sphere of political influence.
The modern militia movement, which is at best fragmented, has been exacerbated by some political elites saying the right to bear arms, is not an individual but a states right. Looking at what happened around Concord and Lexington, when the British were going to take individuals arms, not just guns but --- the CANNONS, which had been smuggled in from the Netherlands, I am not sure what the colonist were hunting with cannons other than the British.
The history of the right to bear arms aside, this issue has increased militia member numbers, resulting many being indoctrinated from the teachings filtering down from Cleon’s institution.
The Arab Spring, as I understand is being brought about by the middle and upper middle class, our middle-class in America is fragmented, and individuals somewhat isolated. American groups do not work well together, there are grass-root issues which people on the conservative side are concerned and similar grass -root issues people on the liberal side are concerned over, but they will not work together to confront the issue – and American’s seem to have become hedonistic. Maybe the Middle East will become the beacon of democracy, because American’s are selling out theirs.
Mike Wallace interview with Ayn Rand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ukJiBZ8_4k
American pre- Ayn Rand – good interview.
As I understand the original Tea Parties data base was stolen, or taken if one wishes to say, and given to a GOP consulting firm. From there the Tea Party Express was formed.
“…. our increasingly corrupt judicial authorities, including a whole series of attorneys-general.” - I agree wholeheartedly on corrupt judicial authorities, but this goes beyond judges in our country. Corruption goes to the heart of our legal system to judges, court officials, attorneys – even law enforcement. Not solely attorney generals and judges.
It was mentioned once in another post, don’t trust Congressman Mike Rogers to do anything regarding an investigation – Rogers is the creator of illegal wiretapping. Strange, well maybe not so strange – Rogers the author of illegal wiretapping, his closest of county friends have odd appearance of being very, very crooked IMHO.
Some learned long ago about ‘red neck rube’ and his side-kick; however, they may not have understood the depths the pair. Attorney Generals? Some turn their heads; go along for ‘political’ reasons – the danger also are county alliances that have an impact reaching into the halls of Washington.
The Politics of Misconduct Part II -- Malicious Prosecution, or Cover-Up?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5VlY019RkU
The Politics of Miss-Conduct in Livingston County Michigan and its courts - Political Corruption?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss_5n7TXHWQ
Bear with the mother’s story above; she has been fighting several issues on different levels for over a decade, all the people involved are close with Mr. Rogers.
The justice system is a core to protecting citizens and I do not know the answer on keeping the system untainted and don’t pretend to, but judges appointing judges – they might groom and appointed close family and friends. It has happened and is happening in our country and in our state.
By the way, it was and is cover-up IMHO. If this can happen to a mom, it can happen to anyone, if someone wants them silenced.
My ancestors were some of those in the murky group of dissidents in 1776 which fought the British. Many in my line did.
Last night as I stood on the edge of my drive way watching fireworks celebrating the independence of America, only bittersweet thoughts came to my mind. I thought of my ancestors, the struggles they faced- I am sure they weren’t perfect people, but they did stand for what they thought.
They knew Patrick Henry – the families appear to have been very close, and maybe that thread was handed down for one generation to another, of standing on what one feels is right – I also thought of the people who brought pain into the lives of my children and me. How we have felt prisoners, by some of the very people watching the same firework display I was. They were close and center to the activity and crowds of people; I stood at a distance, in the solitary darkness at the edge of my property. I cannot forgive the people, who broke into my home, threatened us – stealing what is most precious – safety , peace of mind and our freedom.
Whether it is in the Arab world or in our own, there are those who are both willing and happy to take away our freedoms – without conscience they strike.
If I recall Queen Victoria and Sir John Hawkins had some strong input into the slave trade, seems to have been a business decision. You correct on Scot/ Irish and indentured servants, but there also was a slave trade ship of Scots which headed for America. They were not to be indentured servants, they were to be slaves. The Scotsman newspaper ran an article regarding this a few years ago.
We still have slavery today, white slavery and all kinds of slavery still happen worldwide. Slavery use to be accepted as a natural consequence to losing a battle. It took people centuries to begin to break the chains of slavery. We still are not doing a good job treating each other well.
Several years ago, I had a professor get very upset with me, to the point he asked me not to speak in class again. He was talking about discrimination and was taking it from a black and white aspect. I was concerned the class, which was largely black, would miss understanding discrimination tends to happen to what every group is the largest minority in a majority population. I really made him angry with that statement. But it was what I observed when living in different areas of the county.
Sometimes things are a combination of history and understanding how people form bias.
And yes there are times leaders have inflamed the biases of groups to take additional land or power for themselves.
john caddidy --There was no cheap shot intended on my part. My comment was intent was on various human responses, as well as responses after undergoing abuse - there are more than two responses humans can develop after experiencing abuse. Stern gang members had experienced the abuses of the Warsaw ghetto.
It is the concept people have been taught, or a perspective held of favored son, and unflavored son - one having entitlement and birthright, and the other having none. Unfortunately, in the religious community this view is overly applied. When people feel entitled or chosen, is when abuses begin to occur. It doesn’t matter if this view is held in a religious group, within individual family members, or secular organizations or groups the results are the same.
A second issue enters in with cycle of abuse; this can be seen in the behaviors of the Stern Gang that abused both the people of Palestine as well as moderate Jews. People can come through their experience from abuse several different ways - two ways are they become more compassionate, understanding of abuse or they can become abusers themselves - The Stern Gang seems to have chosen the latter.
Thirdly, well intentioned folks like Bernadotte were too unfamiliar with the ancient beliefs and cultures of the people who inhabited the region.
The above is the basis for why the severe abuses are seen today. Then another issue, of people aligned for money is problematic in causing additional harm.
Israel has a problem growing within its own nation that will be manifesting itself in the future, and America may be forced into recessing its views out of necessity.
This has been a sad situation for decades – from the very beginning. The Palestinians have been badly treated since the start. The jealousies of old continue, began by two competing women and one man. Both are sons - ½ brothers and one is treated so badly. Shame.
America will not take on Russia; and especially the GOP will not take any action against Russia. There is a reason, but right now I will not go public with the reason.
Super390 here is a reason why there is no worry on GOP going after Russia.
Russian entered a war with Afghanistan on December 24, 1979 by ended on February 15, 198 with the finial withdrawal of Russian troops. When the Russians invaded Afghanistan America intelligence knew little of Afghanistan. Under President Carter he authorized the training of anti-communist troops in Afghanistan. The training was under the Central Intelligence Agency, the program was dubbed Operation Cyclone. It would be wise to google in Operation Cyclone, since this has a bearing on issues today.
Today, Russia is part of NATO and in Afghanistan NATO.
Odd, huh?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324122/Russian-troops-return-Afghanistan-Gorbachev-warns-Nato-victory-impossible.html
Besides Putin’s eyes where looked into, remember? Looked deep into his dark soul.. the rest is history.
Myself, looking into Putin’s eyes would remind me of the KGB, but to each their own.
Not a chance of the GOP going after Russia.
Maybe it is depends ‘what’ republican gets into to office, but I highly doubt they would go after Russia. But there is a whole back story to this anyhow.
Warren Lunsford these type of background checks are usually done by the FBI, as I understand. The CIA would have nothing to do with it. Correct me if I am mistaken.
Tonight on channel seven news Detroit it was reported several senators are looking in on the claims the White House attempted to use the CIA to look into Professor Cole. The senator’s findings would decide if further actions are to be taken.
The CIA appears to have had a division introduced into during the Bush Administration, as a reminder there were many voices in the Bush administration wielding heavy influence. Problems occurred not only with Valier Plane, the CIA agent whose cover was blown after her husband opt end piece in the NYT, the CIA also was fractured also over the interrogation techniques introduced by Mitchell and Jessen.
Cofer Black, the Directorate of Operations at the Central Intelligence Agency and Jose A. Rodriguez, Jr. the Director of the National Clandestine Service at the CIA, usher into the agency Mitchell and Jessen. From readings, pressures where put on agents to go along with the program of Mitchell and Jessen.
There does appear to have developed a faction within the agency which attempted to pressured other agents into activities they may have felt wrong.
The Torture Series blog below gives some background of pressures put on agents as well as other questionable activity.
Torture Series:
http://justthoughts-blogger.blogspot.com/
Professor Cole statement regarding there was a large measure of dishonesty during the Bush Administration is true, but as mentioned, there were many people which had influence in his administration.
What is also notable are the number of agents coming forward from both the CIA and FBI that have spoken out on what they have felt has wrong doings.
As seen with Blackwater, mercenaries do not play by the same rules our American soldiers must obey. Nor are they under the same laws of conduct or rules of engagement.
Juan, I think you may be correct. Maybe not as strong as "didn't like", but were worried about. There were many people under Bush that had a great deal of influence, it would not have taken much for their voices to be heard in the Bush administration.
Do you think I should worry about that now? 🙂
Good thing redneck rube is no longer on the board.
“Rep. Mike Rogers (R-MI) refuses to have the House intelligence committee ... “
Professor Cole do not expect support from Mr. Rogers. Mr. Rogers is part of the problem in Washington; he is not part of the solution. Mr. Rogers was the framer of illegal wiretapping of citizens.
There has been an abundance of wrongful and illegal invasions into people who live in Mike Rogers home county of Livingston , it is openly said his home county, “Nothing happens without the Rogers family permission”
I agree on the Church Commission, but men like Church are hard to find.
House Intelligence Committee Head, Congressman Mike Rogers from Brighton Michigan, voted yes on removing FISA warrants for wiretapping. It is doubtful Rogers would commence any investigations. His committee, as I understand also controls the purse strings of the FBI, it is not outside of reason he would attempt to punish any who dared attempted to investigate other agencies.
Rogers, has enough wrong doing in his own community of illegal actions against citizens, to dare to attempt an investigation – feeling it may open a can of worms. Mike Rogers is the framer of the illegal wiretapping's; Judge Walker ruled the government violated a 1978 federal statute requiring approval for domestic surveillance.
However that being said, it is a can of worms which needs to be opened.