Chances are, Iran signed on with the agreement because it involves other nations too.
Trump will destroy the EU if he can and break up NATO, divide and conquer is his motto.
If the Europeans are sovereign nations it will be easy to side with Iran. We will see how sovereign they really are.
The real point is the fact that the United States of America can not be trusted. Trump is really tops in breaking agreements. Not even the citizens can be sure if health insurance or SS benefits will be honored.
Under Trump the government is the worst. How can anyone trust his administration?
Trump and Saudi money and Iran, what a mix. Trump Netanyahoo and the Arabs would like to level Iran.
Trump is ready as long as the kings pay for it and his family makes a profit.
How can one practice realpolitik based on demonizing the other side? It would be very easy for Europe to demonize the USA, just as they glorified the USA in the past for political reasons.
As it stands, Trump and his cabal are the most dangerous people at this time, all based on the things Trump said and does. He can't be trusted, he is a walking time bomb.
Germany lost the war and was occupied and not a sovereign nation for years. even full sovereignty was conditional. It was Germany's luck that the Americans and Russians were dancing to different music. Germany was needed for the balance of power. Europe was considered to be the likely battlefield. The Europeans, including Russia do not want to become another ME. that is one common interest that could change the balance. Russia shares a border with China also. That is why the USA needs a big military among other reasons.
In essence she said, we can't count on them, or we can't rely on them, or we can't trust them.
She had to be diplomatic about it. She does not trust the man.
We really know very little about the AE society. We see the wealth of the monarchy, the shining cities in the dessert, but we know nothing about the other part of the society in Saudi Arabia.
We do know they practice Sharia law, including decapitations, women are not allowed to drive cars and are covered in black most of the time.
Are all Arabs wealthy, is there no poverty, are journalists allowed to film life of ordinary people?
Am I missing something?
The audacity of the man is mind-boggling. What scumbags the people behind him are. So evil, robbing people of basic healthcare and being proud of it, disgusting.
They all know they cut health care and funding making basic health care un- affordable. How is this possible in a Democracy, an advanced and wealthy nation? How could voters elect such a corrupt, incompetent government after 8 years of showing the people Republicans can't govern? They are like pigs on the trough, no, I take it back, pigs are much better creatures than they are.
Whatever Russia is, sclerotic or not, what really counts is the judgement of the Russian people, by all accounts, their standard of living improved under Putin compared to Yeltsin, our alcoholic man.
Maybe we don't like it, but the Russian people like it.
@https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Vladimir_Putin
Jump to Ratings and polls - Observers see Putin's high approval ratings as a consequence of the significant improvements in living standards and Russia's reassertion of itself ... A joint poll by World Public Opinion in the US and Levada ... link to en.wikipedia.org
Jump to Ratings and polls - Observers see Putin's high approval ratings as a consequence of the significant improvements in living standards and Russia's reassertion of itself ... A joint poll by World Public Opinion in the US and Levada ...
After Vietnam and more than a decade in the ME, one would think our leaders had enough common sense to know better, they can't win, they should get out of the ME. They can only win scorched earth and oil and pipelines. Looks like it is all about oil and pipelines. is it worth the costs when the nation at home is crumbling and disintegrating in order to pay for the wars in the ME?
The Russians were smarter, they left Afghanistan when they knew they could not win, and we took their place for no good reason. We were too stupid and kept digging a deeper hole in Afghanistan and some 15 years later we are still there destroying what is left of the nation.
When nations develop and produce nuclear, biological and chemical weapons they are ready to use them. Why else would they have these weapons? Our leaders have told us and the world over and over again that everything is on the table, including nuclear weapons to be used against non nuclear nations if needed.
More civilians are being killed than terrorists and soldiers combined . In Gaza the IDF lost less than 10 soldiers and killed hundreds of Palestinian children and not one word of sorrow from all our leaders, including Hillary and Obama. All I remember is the outrage against Palestinian firing some home made fire crackers which landed in some Israeli fields.
As a citizen I feel insulted by our so called journalists playing the propaganda game on us together with the lying elected officials.
We had embedded journalists in Iraq, no journalists on the ground in Falludja, Mosul, Aleppo. I am convinced that most of the casualties are civilians, men, women and children, mostly children and young adults considering how young the populations are. If someone would say 80% or more of the casualties are civilians I would believe it .
If some 300 000 people have been killed in Syria they would have to be mostly civilian, how many ISIS fighters are there and how many Syrian soldiers? Our military is waging war by air with bombs and missiles, soldiers on computers sitting in FL in charge of drones with hell fire missiles thousands of miles away are doing the killing, mostly civilians including innocent beautiful children, there are no units of thousands of ISIS fighters, they are relative small groups. Not many soldiers, boots on the ground, either. Most likely more refugees drowned at sea than soldiers and terrorists were killed.
Maybe some day we will find out what really happened when we took the Arab Spring to the ME.
If anyone can take control of Trump and his cabal it is the neocons, it took just 11 weeks to prove it.
What do they expect to gain? It will take maybe centuries for the ME to recover if the planet can survive it. The victory of a scorched earth policy is to win a scorched earth.
What you say makes sense, but then, why are we involved to bring Assad down? Why do we support the carnage in Syria? It was outside interference that turned Syria into a killing field. Why do we support the Saudi support of ISIS
in Syria, add Yemen too all after the disaster in Iraq? Why, did our government learn nothing from the Iraq and Afghanistan fiasco, does it not matter to us that nothing but total destruction and untold suffering is all that was accomplished?
Now the Trump regime wants even more military funding to finance more total destruction and the annihilation of nations while going on TV whining about the death of children they could not care less about. They are waging war to preserve an empire that is rotting away from the inside, our cities like Detroit tell the story.
The insanity of it all.
Maybe I am naive, but to my mind the Syrian people are paying the price for a war about oil and pipelines.
It is not plausible for Assad to kill his own people with chemical weapons. We are told what a terrible dictator he is, but what has he done? He cooperated with the CIA interrogating prisoners for them. By Arab standards his is a relative tolerant secular regime. His opposition in Syria are mostly fundamentalist Salafists and ISIS terrorists financed by the Sunni Saudi regimes.
There are people saying that if he does not fight the terrorists he and his supporters will be massacred, much like what happened in Iraq and Libya.
No side has the moral high ground, we have been lied to justify invading Iraq, there was the Gulf of Ton-kin incident, the secret bombing of Cambodia ending with Pol Pot,and so much more. We will use every weapon we have to get our way, not for Democracy for sure, every thing is on the table including nuclear weapons, and if necessary chemical weapons, after all we spend lots of money to develop them.
We do go to war for resources, strategical reasons, economics and trade and land not for ideals. Follow the money is still valid.
NATO is supposed to be a defensive alliance. Instead it is acting aggressive. Russia is not threatening Europe at all. It is NATO organizing military exercises at the borders of Russia. Poland is belligerent counting on NATO to bail them out. The West meddled in the Ukraine taking out an elected government. Putin was perfectly willing to work with Western powers. He wants to sell Russian oil to the Europeans, he is not interested in war that would destroy Europe. It would be a war far removed from American borders.
Russia has no troupes in Mexico or in Canada. Putin defends Russian interests against the aggressors in the NATO.
It was Putin, Schroeder and Chirac who opposed the invasion and destruction of Iraq. They knew the truth just as Bush and Blair knew the truth, they knew there was no evidence of WMDs. We, the people knew, and we demonstrated because of it. There was no evidence at all and the Chilcot report confirms it. But they don't dare call it a war crime , what it really is. And we are going for more of the same.
All three have something in common, they are deranged and fanatic people. Whatever one wants to call what they did, it is criminal by any name. During the time after Vietnam we had a series of high-jacked airplanes, hostages, the Bader Meinhof gang, Charles Manson, all sorts of violent political groups that did commit crimes. The government and FBI did criminal investigations and no politicians came out undercutting the government, putting fear into the people, egging people on to purchase more guns as the TP aka Republicans do now, people like Trump and Cruz and Jerry Fallwell jr, telling the students to go and buy guns. The response from the right is totally hateful and irrational. They are turning the country into a combat zone, we must be more afraid of our neighbor than any Muslim terrorist. The nation used to have to deal with the Mafia gang too, they could handle them and they were a domestic gang, inside country not thousands of miles away as ISIS is.
The settlers are deceptive, labeling products Made in Israel gives them the same trade advantages Israel has with the EU as if they were actual members of the EU. Palestinian products don't get that.
The Palestinian Peace Process, is there such a thing?
The western powers would not respect the result of the elections if it is not what they want. See Egypt, the people elected the Muslim Brotherhood, the western powers did not like it and they replaced the Brotherhood with the General they liked better.
What exactly has Assad done? He is allied with Iran and Russia, and Hezbollah, no Sharia law in Syria, Christians are able to practice their religion, in what way exactly was he more brutal than other dictators? He did not invade other countries.
It was outside forces that turned demonstrations into civil war and he reacted with brutality if what we are told about it is true.
When Assad is gone, then what? Same as Iraq after Saddam and Libya after Gadaffy? Just another failed state?
We go on destabilizing the region and ISIS is recruiting more people and spreading more terrorism .
We need more journalists like Seymour Hersh. He could see what was coming.
Who will protect the Christians and the Shiites against ISIS?
The Foreign Legion is just a bunch of mercenaries, they could not save Vietnam for the French. They are just like our contractors, a lot of riff- raff. It is not like a patriotic citizen army fighting to defend their country.
Isis is not like the VC or Hamas or Hezbollah, they are scattered all around the world. Do we even know what exactly they want and who are their leaders?
Who are the moderate rebels in Syria we expect to fight against Assad and ISIS? Moderate opposition is not violent, so who are the people we armed and who turned their weapons over to ISIS, were they orthodox Muslims opposed to Assad, Salafists? Experts predicted that if they win there would be massacres of Christians and other Syrians. Who is fighting whom in Syria and for what reason, religious only?
Next is the big question, what can we believe what is really going on? We don't really know what is true, who is fighting whom.
What a mess, and it is the innocent people who pay with their blood.
Of course they all have interests of their own. Syria and Iran are allies, the real reason why Assad must go, not because he is a dictator, he is just not our dictator. There are some 500 Saudi princess with lots of money and no telling how many are funding ISIS.
The people in the region should be left alone to settle their differences, which were caused by outside powers drawing the borders.
What is it the US wants to do there, redraw borders, or install a government in Syria to our liking as we did in Iraq and also with the French in Libya and Egypt and so many more?
The Kurds in Iraq, Syria and Iran all want their own country, nothing else.
IMHO we should get out of Syria and go back to the status quo, let Assad and Putin stabilize Syria if they can and tell the Saudis to stay out, Syrians don't want their brutal Sharia laws.
The West is the big obstacle to end the violence in the region.
We are pursuing our own agenda too, it is not to benefit the people of the region, they do the dying and the suffering.
Too many here at home are screaming for more military action while we close the borders to keep the refugees out, that is something the Muslim nations can't do, our drones and airplanes and surrogate soldiers cross their borders any time.
Western powers have left a trail of scorched earth failed nations all along North Africa, the ME and into central Asia. We are now reaping what we sowed, conducting more air strikes and using surrogates to impose the dictator we like is not going to change anything, just more of the same.
Obama increased military aid to Israel, Hillary and all the Republicans would do the same. They still finance settlements while claiming to want peace, and on and on it goes. What makes our side better than ISIS, terror is terror in any shape or form. They kill innocent people and so do we.
considering how really powerless the ICC is under any circumstance, what is it the Israelis are afraid of if Palestinians would take their case to the court?
Sanctions could have been used against Israel, but that is out too, one can do that against Cuba or Iran, but Israel, no way.
No matter what, the victors will be the judges and right or wrong has nothing at all to do with it.
As it stands the neo-cons are still in charge of the State Department. They will be in charge, regardless of the next president's name . Hillary Clinton is just as hawkish as any Republican.
I would like to see a journalist with enough courage and ethics to ask Hillary, Fiorina, Trump, Biden, Cruz, Rubio, in short anyone of the candidates where it is they would stop draw the line with Israel?
American governments never put a stop of support to Israelis no matter how brutal, inhumane, and criminal they acted.
They have made the nation support war crimes, where is the limit?
Journalists accept the most obvious lies from Israeli officials when they interview them on live tv, they never have follow up questions no matter what.
Do the journalists really believe what they say or do they just pretend in order to keep their jobs?
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John Kelly is a yes man, he lost his credibility, It did not take long, just a couple of months.
Chances are, Iran signed on with the agreement because it involves other nations too.
Trump will destroy the EU if he can and break up NATO, divide and conquer is his motto.
If the Europeans are sovereign nations it will be easy to side with Iran. We will see how sovereign they really are.
The real point is the fact that the United States of America can not be trusted. Trump is really tops in breaking agreements. Not even the citizens can be sure if health insurance or SS benefits will be honored.
Under Trump the government is the worst. How can anyone trust his administration?
Trump and Saudi money and Iran, what a mix. Trump Netanyahoo and the Arabs would like to level Iran.
Trump is ready as long as the kings pay for it and his family makes a profit.
How can one practice realpolitik based on demonizing the other side? It would be very easy for Europe to demonize the USA, just as they glorified the USA in the past for political reasons.
As it stands, Trump and his cabal are the most dangerous people at this time, all based on the things Trump said and does. He can't be trusted, he is a walking time bomb.
Germany lost the war and was occupied and not a sovereign nation for years. even full sovereignty was conditional. It was Germany's luck that the Americans and Russians were dancing to different music. Germany was needed for the balance of power. Europe was considered to be the likely battlefield. The Europeans, including Russia do not want to become another ME. that is one common interest that could change the balance. Russia shares a border with China also. That is why the USA needs a big military among other reasons.
In essence she said, we can't count on them, or we can't rely on them, or we can't trust them.
She had to be diplomatic about it. She does not trust the man.
Not to forget, German car companies employ thousands of Americans producing German cars in the USA.
We really know very little about the AE society. We see the wealth of the monarchy, the shining cities in the dessert, but we know nothing about the other part of the society in Saudi Arabia.
We do know they practice Sharia law, including decapitations, women are not allowed to drive cars and are covered in black most of the time.
Are all Arabs wealthy, is there no poverty, are journalists allowed to film life of ordinary people?
Am I missing something?
The audacity of the man is mind-boggling. What scumbags the people behind him are. So evil, robbing people of basic healthcare and being proud of it, disgusting.
They all know they cut health care and funding making basic health care un- affordable. How is this possible in a Democracy, an advanced and wealthy nation? How could voters elect such a corrupt, incompetent government after 8 years of showing the people Republicans can't govern? They are like pigs on the trough, no, I take it back, pigs are much better creatures than they are.
Whatever Russia is, sclerotic or not, what really counts is the judgement of the Russian people, by all accounts, their standard of living improved under Putin compared to Yeltsin, our alcoholic man.
Maybe we don't like it, but the Russian people like it.
@https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Vladimir_Putin
Jump to Ratings and polls - Observers see Putin's high approval ratings as a consequence of the significant improvements in living standards and Russia's reassertion of itself ... A joint poll by World Public Opinion in the US and Levada ...
link to en.wikipedia.org
Jump to Ratings and polls - Observers see Putin's high approval ratings as a consequence of the significant improvements in living standards and Russia's reassertion of itself ... A joint poll by World Public Opinion in the US and Levada ...
After Vietnam and more than a decade in the ME, one would think our leaders had enough common sense to know better, they can't win, they should get out of the ME. They can only win scorched earth and oil and pipelines. Looks like it is all about oil and pipelines. is it worth the costs when the nation at home is crumbling and disintegrating in order to pay for the wars in the ME?
The Russians were smarter, they left Afghanistan when they knew they could not win, and we took their place for no good reason. We were too stupid and kept digging a deeper hole in Afghanistan and some 15 years later we are still there destroying what is left of the nation.
When nations develop and produce nuclear, biological and chemical weapons they are ready to use them. Why else would they have these weapons? Our leaders have told us and the world over and over again that everything is on the table, including nuclear weapons to be used against non nuclear nations if needed.
More civilians are being killed than terrorists and soldiers combined . In Gaza the IDF lost less than 10 soldiers and killed hundreds of Palestinian children and not one word of sorrow from all our leaders, including Hillary and Obama. All I remember is the outrage against Palestinian firing some home made fire crackers which landed in some Israeli fields.
As a citizen I feel insulted by our so called journalists playing the propaganda game on us together with the lying elected officials.
We had embedded journalists in Iraq, no journalists on the ground in Falludja, Mosul, Aleppo. I am convinced that most of the casualties are civilians, men, women and children, mostly children and young adults considering how young the populations are. If someone would say 80% or more of the casualties are civilians I would believe it .
If some 300 000 people have been killed in Syria they would have to be mostly civilian, how many ISIS fighters are there and how many Syrian soldiers? Our military is waging war by air with bombs and missiles, soldiers on computers sitting in FL in charge of drones with hell fire missiles thousands of miles away are doing the killing, mostly civilians including innocent beautiful children, there are no units of thousands of ISIS fighters, they are relative small groups. Not many soldiers, boots on the ground, either. Most likely more refugees drowned at sea than soldiers and terrorists were killed.
Maybe some day we will find out what really happened when we took the Arab Spring to the ME.
If anyone can take control of Trump and his cabal it is the neocons, it took just 11 weeks to prove it.
What do they expect to gain? It will take maybe centuries for the ME to recover if the planet can survive it. The victory of a scorched earth policy is to win a scorched earth.
What you say makes sense, but then, why are we involved to bring Assad down? Why do we support the carnage in Syria? It was outside interference that turned Syria into a killing field. Why do we support the Saudi support of ISIS
in Syria, add Yemen too all after the disaster in Iraq? Why, did our government learn nothing from the Iraq and Afghanistan fiasco, does it not matter to us that nothing but total destruction and untold suffering is all that was accomplished?
Now the Trump regime wants even more military funding to finance more total destruction and the annihilation of nations while going on TV whining about the death of children they could not care less about. They are waging war to preserve an empire that is rotting away from the inside, our cities like Detroit tell the story.
The insanity of it all.
Maybe I am naive, but to my mind the Syrian people are paying the price for a war about oil and pipelines.
It is not plausible for Assad to kill his own people with chemical weapons. We are told what a terrible dictator he is, but what has he done? He cooperated with the CIA interrogating prisoners for them. By Arab standards his is a relative tolerant secular regime. His opposition in Syria are mostly fundamentalist Salafists and ISIS terrorists financed by the Sunni Saudi regimes.
There are people saying that if he does not fight the terrorists he and his supporters will be massacred, much like what happened in Iraq and Libya.
No side has the moral high ground, we have been lied to justify invading Iraq, there was the Gulf of Ton-kin incident, the secret bombing of Cambodia ending with Pol Pot,and so much more. We will use every weapon we have to get our way, not for Democracy for sure, every thing is on the table including nuclear weapons, and if necessary chemical weapons, after all we spend lots of money to develop them.
We do go to war for resources, strategical reasons, economics and trade and land not for ideals. Follow the money is still valid.
NATO is supposed to be a defensive alliance. Instead it is acting aggressive. Russia is not threatening Europe at all. It is NATO organizing military exercises at the borders of Russia. Poland is belligerent counting on NATO to bail them out. The West meddled in the Ukraine taking out an elected government. Putin was perfectly willing to work with Western powers. He wants to sell Russian oil to the Europeans, he is not interested in war that would destroy Europe. It would be a war far removed from American borders.
Russia has no troupes in Mexico or in Canada. Putin defends Russian interests against the aggressors in the NATO.
It was Putin, Schroeder and Chirac who opposed the invasion and destruction of Iraq. They knew the truth just as Bush and Blair knew the truth, they knew there was no evidence of WMDs. We, the people knew, and we demonstrated because of it. There was no evidence at all and the Chilcot report confirms it. But they don't dare call it a war crime , what it really is. And we are going for more of the same.
All three have something in common, they are deranged and fanatic people. Whatever one wants to call what they did, it is criminal by any name. During the time after Vietnam we had a series of high-jacked airplanes, hostages, the Bader Meinhof gang, Charles Manson, all sorts of violent political groups that did commit crimes. The government and FBI did criminal investigations and no politicians came out undercutting the government, putting fear into the people, egging people on to purchase more guns as the TP aka Republicans do now, people like Trump and Cruz and Jerry Fallwell jr, telling the students to go and buy guns. The response from the right is totally hateful and irrational. They are turning the country into a combat zone, we must be more afraid of our neighbor than any Muslim terrorist. The nation used to have to deal with the Mafia gang too, they could handle them and they were a domestic gang, inside country not thousands of miles away as ISIS is.
The settlers are deceptive, labeling products Made in Israel gives them the same trade advantages Israel has with the EU as if they were actual members of the EU. Palestinian products don't get that.
The Palestinian Peace Process, is there such a thing?
The western powers would not respect the result of the elections if it is not what they want. See Egypt, the people elected the Muslim Brotherhood, the western powers did not like it and they replaced the Brotherhood with the General they liked better.
What exactly has Assad done? He is allied with Iran and Russia, and Hezbollah, no Sharia law in Syria, Christians are able to practice their religion, in what way exactly was he more brutal than other dictators? He did not invade other countries.
It was outside forces that turned demonstrations into civil war and he reacted with brutality if what we are told about it is true.
When Assad is gone, then what? Same as Iraq after Saddam and Libya after Gadaffy? Just another failed state?
We go on destabilizing the region and ISIS is recruiting more people and spreading more terrorism .
We need more journalists like Seymour Hersh. He could see what was coming.
Who will protect the Christians and the Shiites against ISIS?
The Foreign Legion is just a bunch of mercenaries, they could not save Vietnam for the French. They are just like our contractors, a lot of riff- raff. It is not like a patriotic citizen army fighting to defend their country.
Isis is not like the VC or Hamas or Hezbollah, they are scattered all around the world. Do we even know what exactly they want and who are their leaders?
Who are the moderate rebels in Syria we expect to fight against Assad and ISIS? Moderate opposition is not violent, so who are the people we armed and who turned their weapons over to ISIS, were they orthodox Muslims opposed to Assad, Salafists? Experts predicted that if they win there would be massacres of Christians and other Syrians. Who is fighting whom in Syria and for what reason, religious only?
Next is the big question, what can we believe what is really going on? We don't really know what is true, who is fighting whom.
What a mess, and it is the innocent people who pay with their blood.
Of course they all have interests of their own. Syria and Iran are allies, the real reason why Assad must go, not because he is a dictator, he is just not our dictator. There are some 500 Saudi princess with lots of money and no telling how many are funding ISIS.
The people in the region should be left alone to settle their differences, which were caused by outside powers drawing the borders.
What is it the US wants to do there, redraw borders, or install a government in Syria to our liking as we did in Iraq and also with the French in Libya and Egypt and so many more?
The Kurds in Iraq, Syria and Iran all want their own country, nothing else.
IMHO we should get out of Syria and go back to the status quo, let Assad and Putin stabilize Syria if they can and tell the Saudis to stay out, Syrians don't want their brutal Sharia laws.
The West is the big obstacle to end the violence in the region.
We are pursuing our own agenda too, it is not to benefit the people of the region, they do the dying and the suffering.
Too many here at home are screaming for more military action while we close the borders to keep the refugees out, that is something the Muslim nations can't do, our drones and airplanes and surrogate soldiers cross their borders any time.
Western powers have left a trail of scorched earth failed nations all along North Africa, the ME and into central Asia. We are now reaping what we sowed, conducting more air strikes and using surrogates to impose the dictator we like is not going to change anything, just more of the same.
Obama increased military aid to Israel, Hillary and all the Republicans would do the same. They still finance settlements while claiming to want peace, and on and on it goes. What makes our side better than ISIS, terror is terror in any shape or form. They kill innocent people and so do we.
considering how really powerless the ICC is under any circumstance, what is it the Israelis are afraid of if Palestinians would take their case to the court?
Sanctions could have been used against Israel, but that is out too, one can do that against Cuba or Iran, but Israel, no way.
No matter what, the victors will be the judges and right or wrong has nothing at all to do with it.
As it stands the neo-cons are still in charge of the State Department. They will be in charge, regardless of the next president's name . Hillary Clinton is just as hawkish as any Republican.
I would like to see a journalist with enough courage and ethics to ask Hillary, Fiorina, Trump, Biden, Cruz, Rubio, in short anyone of the candidates where it is they would stop draw the line with Israel?
American governments never put a stop of support to Israelis no matter how brutal, inhumane, and criminal they acted.
They have made the nation support war crimes, where is the limit?
Journalists accept the most obvious lies from Israeli officials when they interview them on live tv, they never have follow up questions no matter what.
Do the journalists really believe what they say or do they just pretend in order to keep their jobs?